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Why Dr.
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Interpretation of His NDE Should |
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by Kevin
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QUESTION:
It seems that most of the accounts of near-death experiences are
not totally consistent with traditional Christian teachings
except for the case of Dr.
Richard Eby. His account is totally consistent with
traditional Christian teachings. How do you respond to this?
ANSWER: There are actually several categories of
Christian NDEs which I would classify according to their
consistency with traditional teachings. Here they are:
(1) Those NDEs that agree with traditional Christian
teachings.
Betty Malz -
Valvita Jones -
Dr. Gerald Landry -
Lorraine Tutmarc -
Dr. Richard Eby -
Rev. Kenneth Hagin -
David Goines -
Angie Fenimore -
Clara
NDEs such as these do not have aspects to them that contradict
traditional Christian teachings.
(2) Those NDEs that agree with traditional Christian
teachings and have aspects to them that are outside of
traditional Christian teachings but do not contradict them.
Emanuel Tuwagirairmana -
Rev. Howard Pittman -
Don Brubaker
These kinds of NDEs should not be considered of lesser Christian
value just because they have "extra-Biblical" aspects that are
outside the scope of traditional teachings. Such extra-Biblical
aspects include multiple levels of heaven, the current Laodicean
Church Age, Satan as a personal devil, witnessing the actual
crucifixion, and others.
If the Bible was the only revelation of God there is and if any
other sources for revelations of God are false, then this would
exclude anyone from having a valid personal experience of God
that has aspects to them that the Bible does not comment on. It
must be agreed that the Bible is silent on many matters. The
nature of the afterlife itself is not explained at all except
through the symbolic parables of Jesus and
the dream symbols of Revelation. Outside of these
non-literal references, the Bible does not give a clear enough
"picture" of the afterlife that can compare to most of the NDEs
I profile on this website. However, there were writings that
existed before New Testament canon was developed which did give
good "pictures" of the afterlife but were declared heresy by the
Orthodox Church, the writings burned, and the writers executed.
I am referring to the Nag Hammadi find
of early Christian writings discovered in the 1940's.
(3) Those NDEs that have aspects which agree with traditional
Christian teachings and aspects that do not agree with
traditional Christian teachings.
Betty Eadie -
Apostle Paul -
Rev. Howard Storm -
Dr. George Ritchie -
David Oakford -
Linda Stewart
These NDEs involve concepts that can be found in the Bible by a
particular interpretation, but which are contradicted by the
traditional interpretation. Such concepts involve the
reincarnation/resurrection
debate, the humanity of Jesus, the
purgatory nature of hell, and
universal salvation. But within the
traditional Christian Church, there have always been constant
debate of traditional concepts as well. Such debates involve
doctrines regarding faith only/faith and works,
predestination/free will, once saved/ability to fall away,
tongues/baptism, etc.. This is because the Bible does not give
us a full enough revelation for us to validate one and/or
exclude the other interpretation. For this reason, until divine
revelation can prove exclusively which interpretation is true,
Christians should keep an open mind about such concepts that are
found in such NDEs that have concepts not fully explained in the
Bible.
As for the NDE of Dr.
Richard Eby, let me start off by giving a quote from
NDERF researcher Jody Long concerning the effect of the
experiencer's religious background on the interpretation of
their NDE.
"One of the near-death experience truths is that each person
integrates their near-death experience into their own
pre-existing belief system." (Jody Long)
I have written quite a bit on this as well at my
NDE Differences page:
As for Dr. Eby's NDE, it first must be pointed out that he was
told by Jesus that he would be alive when the second coming of
Jesus happens. However, Eby died last December and it doesn't
appear that Jesus has returned. Traditional Christians would now
have to say that Eby was a false prophet and his entire NDE is
now suspect. However, I don't agree with this. I am not willing
to throw out the baby with the bath water. Through my own
sources, I believe Jesus HAS returned
already. He did not appear in the sky with a chorus of
angels as mentioned symbolically in the Bible. But, my sources
indicate that Jesus was born again into the world as a baby.
Whether a Christian believes this or not is not the point. My
point is that, like the Bible, there are various interpretations
a person can give to symbolic Biblical references.
If the Bible
was more specific and elaborate rather than symbolic and narrow about
these matters, it would be easier to distinguish truth from falsehood.
However, Jesus did give us the test: a tree is known by its fruit
(love, joy, peace, etc.) and a good tree does not bear bad fruit,
nor a bad tree bear good fruit. In other words, we must test the spirits
by the fruit of the Spirit. Eby strongly incorporated his NDE in terms
of his strong narrow fundamental faith which stands up to the letter of
scripture as well as the spirit of scripture. His NDE bears fruit of the
Holy Spirit so we should believe it to be a "good tree." Those who want
to declare Eby's NDE heresy or false are not using the test that Jesus
gave. They are probably only testing the letter and not the spirit.
QUESTION: In his
[Eby's] lengthy discussion with Jesus, Jesus talks about his "book"
(e.g., the Bible) and how everything written his "book" is
"truth."
ANSWER: Yes. I have come across no NDE where a Being
of Light tells them the Bible is false. One particular NDEr, Rev. Howard
Storm was able to ask Jesus and his escorts the following:
When the review was finished they asked: "Do you want to ask any
questions?" and I had a million questions. I asked, for example, "What
about the Bible?" They responded: "What about it?" I asked if it was
true, and they said it was. Asking them why it was that when I tried to
read it, all I saw were contradictions, they took me back to my life's
review again – something that I had overlooked. They showed me, for the
few times I had opened the Bible, that I had read it with the idea of
finding contradictions and problems. I was trying to prove to myself
that it wasn't worth reading.
I observed to them that the Bible wasn't clear to me. It didn't make
sense. They told me that it contained spiritual truth, and that I had to
read it spiritually in order to understand it. It should be read
prayerfully. My friends informed me that it was not like other books.
They also told me, and I later found out this was true, that when you
read it prayerfully, it talks to you. It reveals itself to you. And you
don't have to work at it anymore." (Rev. Howard
Storm)
So, the question is not whether or not the Bible is true, but which Bible
interpretation
(or traditional Christian interpretation) is true. When Rev.
Howard Storm would read the literal verses of the Bible, he would find
contradictions. But a spiritual interpretation expands the meaning of
such verses. From my own experience, I have found a number of different
interpretations that one can use on a particular Bible passage. For
example, this passage of Revelation:
"Nevertheless, I [Jesus] have this against you: You tolerate that woman
Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess. By her teaching she misleads my
servants into sexual immorality and the eating of food sacrificed to
idols. I have given her time to repent of her immorality, but she is
unwilling. So I will cast her on a bed of suffering, and I will make
those who commit adultery with her suffer intensely, unless they repent
of her ways."
(Rev. 2:20-23)
For more about Jezebel, visit this
Jezebel website.
(1) My cultural and historical interpretation of this passage is:
The Church of Thyatira had a prophetess who led people into sexually
immorality and eating food sacrificed to idols for which Jesus threatens
punish.
(2) My literal interpretation of this passage is:
The Church of Thyatira is actually a letter to all Christians, past and
future, to warn us against sexual immorality and idolatry.
(3) My spiritual interpretation of this passage is:
The Book of Revelation is a message that is interpreted at a level of
humanity at large and an individual level. On an individual level,
each of the seven churches represents a spiritual center within the body.
The Church of Thyatria represents the "heart" spiritual center. Jesus
warns against living a life without love and seeking only sexual
gratification. This "unholy" condition that wars against the "heart" is
represented by Jezebel, the symbol of fleshly pleasure. The warning is
that unless the heart changes for the better, it will suffer a "great
tribulation." (Edgar Cayce)
(4) My prophetic interpretation of this passage is:
Each "Church" represents an "age" or dispensation of Christian history.
The Church of Thyatira represents the time period between 606 AD and
1520 AD.
Dispensationalism
believes that the Thyatira Church age is the age referred to as the "pagan
church" or the corrupt church. History calls this period of time "The
Dark Ages". The Thyatira Church age is when Christianity began to
"prostitute" with the secular world. A more elaborate description of
this church age can be found on various Christian websites.
Note: Rev. Howard Pittman
was told during his NDE that humanity is now living in the "Laodicean
Church age", the last of the seven Churches in Revelation, the final
time period before Jesus returns.
Also, I have even heard that there exists a "Bible
code" which has hidden information within the very text. If this is
try, then this is another level of interpretation.
QUESTION: As we both know, the fundamental tenet of
Christianity is acceptance of Jesus as our Lord and Savior before we
will be allowed in the Kingdom of Heaven. This is most especially
telling when Dr. Eby quoted Jesus saying to him the following:
"Now, my Son, to answer your question: paradise is a holding tank for the
souls who have accepted me as their savior simply by faith in me having
laid down my life to redeem them from the curse of sin." (Dr.
Richard Eby)
ANSWER: My interpretation of this is that Jesus is
telling Eby that there is an abode
(one of many mansions) where such Christians go. Because he uses
the phrase "holding tank", I believe he is using the concept that is
found in many NDEs concerning a kind of "transit center" where souls go
before they are sent out to various other "abodes" or heavens.
There are Christian heavens, Buddhist heavens, Islamic heavens, etc.
etc.. Every soul goes where they fit in.
QUESTION: [Eby's
NDE continues:] "In fact, everything that my children need to know about
how God thinks and works and judges and rewards, either before or after
the cross, is already in my book. That is why I commanded mankind to
‘engrave my words upon their hearts,' and to pass them along from
generation to generation. I wanted everyone to hear and know just who I
AM, the Messiah, their one hope of salvation, their most high God." (Dr.
Richard Eby)
ANSWER: I believe this is true also. The gospel of
salvation is so simple that people feel they have to build entire
systems of theology around it. The central message of the gospel is
this: love. God so loved the world. Jesus did not preach a new religion,
just love. Living a life of love as Jesus did is how we can become like
Jesus. Everything else is debating how many angels can dance on the head
of a pin.
QUESTION: [Eby's
NDE continues:] "My gift is eternal life which has to start on earth
where they need its cleansing power, and where we need our good news of
salvation accepted. Oh, that my people would start their lives with me
there so they could live abundantly and not perish! Why do they want to
wait and wait until it is too late?" (Dr.
Richard Eby)
ANSWER: Yes, this is true. In the Bible, this is what
Jesus said about eternal life:
'On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus
"Teacher," he
asked, "What must I do to inherit eternal life?"
"What is
written in the law?" he replied. "How do you read it?"
He answered:
"Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and
with all your strength and with all your mind, and, love your neighbor
as yourself."
"You have
answered correctly," Jesus replied, "Do this and you will live."
(Luke 10:25-28)
The gospel is as simple and as profound as that: love your neighbor and
love God with all you can. Do this and you will have eternal life.
You'll never have to die anymore.
QUESTION: Yet,
you [Kevin] state:
"Before knew about near-death experiences, I was a fundamentalist
Christian who was absolutely certain that when I die, I would be carried
to the highest heaven to be forever before the very throne of God. But,
after reading several near-death experiences, such as that of
Dr. George Ritchie, I realized that merely "believing in Jesus" is
not enough to attain heaven. I learned that one must become as Christ
himself practicing unconditional love for others to reach this level of
bliss. It means we get to heaven by emulating the love of Jesus rather
than by worshipping him. Reading near-death experiences cracked my rigid
religious mindset and made my religious beliefs to be completely
ridiculous at best."
In fact, [Kevin's] further discussions even refute the need to accept
Jesus as their Lord and Savior to achieve salvation which greatly helps
to explain why there are so many religions in the world.
ANSWER: Yes, it is my belief that
faith alone
(Paul's theology) is not correct and that works (James'
theology) is the proper context. James knew Jesus' teachings far
better than Paul ever did. Jesus constantly taught the importance of
works of love. And the idea that all people need to do is believe in his
name to be saved is against the very teachings of Jesus. When Christians
refer to "believing in Jesus" it can mean a number of different things.
Here are some of them:
(1) Believe in his name. Know his name. His name is your
magical ticket to heaven.
(2) Know and believe what the Bible says about Jesus. Believe that
Jesus is the Messiah. Believe that Jesus is Lord. This is "salvation by
faith alone" theological system with originated with Paul
(3) "Believing in Jesus" means to live your life as he did by
loving others and God with unconditional love. Believing in his name is
not enough. Believing things about him is not enough. Those who do as
Jesus taught are the one's who are actually "believing in Jesus." This
is the "salvation by works" (and faith) theological system with Jesus
and the Twelve apostles taught.
My view is that only option (3) will get you to that level where
Jesus is. Options (1) and (2) mean very little.
QUESTION: I noted
at the www.afterlife101.com
website a discussion about this issue with spirit guides on the issue of
religion when the following assumption regarding Jesus was made:
"(76) Jesus is the "door" through which everyone on earth will
return to God. Of all the knowledge humans have, there is none more
essential than knowing God." [I am not sure where this quote comes
from.]
The spirit guides [of the www.afterlife101.com website] answered this
assumption with the following:
"This is a partial truth. Jesus is not the door through which all humans
will return to their spirit and to their evolution of God. To return to
God is a choice that each individual being has at what level they will
return and what they will feel on the other side. Jesus is not the
answer to that. You within yourself are the answer to that. Not all
beings accept Jesus as Christians do but that does not keep them from
their oneness with God."
ANSWER: I don't know where (76) came from but
I don't believe it is literally true. However, it may be possible that
this is a reference to the "Being of Light" who is God manifesting as
all personalities including Jesus, Buddha, everyone. This agrees with
what those spirit guides are saying. God appears to us in the form we
are most comfortable with.
QUESTION:
Furthermore, in Dr. Eby's NDE, Jesus mentions "Satan" several times. In
particular, he wrote "Messiah promised to destroy any disharmonies which
Satan uses to lure and deceive innocent children into the pits of hell!"
Followed by "My son, the time is coming when Satan will be bound in a
bottomless pit for a thousand years awaiting his banishment into eternal
punishment in a lake of fire!" This "lake of fire" that Jesus is
referring to has been the tradition conception of "hell."
However, [Kevin states:]
"The devil does not exist; at least not as people on earth believe. There
is no being who can be everywhere at once, who has powers to torment
everyone at the same time. God would not permit such a being to exist."
(Kevin Williams' research)
To which the spirit guides [of the www.afterlife101.com website] answered
with the following:
"We would say that that is a true statement. What those on earth consider
the devil is not one energy power as an entity but is the negative
emotional energies that one chooses to experience in their life and
therefore they are creating their own devil within themselves by
choosing to live in fear, anger, blame, hate and all the negative
energies one experiences. That is truly what the devil is. And as a
person moves closer to their oneness with God they move from all of
those negative limiting experiences and energies into the vibrational
force of God and love."
ANSWER: Both statements are true in my opinion. A
Devil with horns and a pitchfork does not exist. As one particular NDEr
stated, there is no one crazy enough to believe they can successfully
defeat God. Nobody is able be omnipresent and tempt everyone at the same
time with the purpose of leading them away from God. But it is true that
many NDEs refer to a "Satan" or a "Devil". But these NDEs do not claim
to have actually seen an entity known as the Devil. Here is my
understanding of what religions refer to as the "Devil."
The concept of "Satan" and "demons" actually originated with the Persian
religion of
Zoroastrianism. It is the origin of the
concept of a god of light and his angels that is locked in a cosmic
struggle with the god of darkness and his demons.
During the Babylonian exile of the Jews, these concepts from
Zoroastrianism were later incorporated into Judaism. The mystical
Judaism of
Kaballah accepts this idea as a
symbolic struggle that is fought within everyone. This agrees with
information found in NDEs.
Near-death accounts reveal that everyone has within them a divine nature
(spirit) and a human nature
(flesh) that frequently wars against each other. At the level of
the spirit, everyone is connected and there is no separation between
people. On the other hand, human nature is our tendency to think of
ourselves as separate from others. The war within us is the battle
between our selfish desires that causes separation and our divine nature
which is connected to everyone else and God. The following NDE insights
describe this war within:
Our minds are led by the spirit we are entertaining, the spirit of God or
the spirit of the devil - self. What people think of as "Satan", is
really their own personality characteristics of self-centeredness,
self-interest, self-gratification, self-righteousness,
self-consciousness, self-glorification, self-condemnation, self-will,
SELF. Jesus knew he had to die on the cross to fulfill his mission of
demonstrating to humanity how self-sacrifice and self-denial can
overcome these human desires (self-centeredness, self-gratification,
etc.) and how it leads to our complete restoration with the divine
nature within us. (Edgar Cayce)
The struggle between our higher and lower selves grows until finally the
destructive elements are completely overcome. (Betty
Bethards)
Humans are educated at a higher level by spirit beings who bring us into
heaven. We grow and increase, and grow and increase, and shed the
concerns, desires, and base animal stuff that we have been fighting much
of our life. Earthly appetites melt away. It is no longer a struggle to
fight them. We become who we truly are, which is part of the divine. (Rev.
Howard Storm)
"I had a descent into what you might call Hell .... I did not see Satan or
evil. My descent into Hell was a descent into each person's customized
human misery, ignorance, and darkness of not-knowing. It seemed like a
miserable eternity. But each of the millions of souls around me had a
little star of light always available. But no one seemed to pay
attention to it. They were so consumed with their own grief, trauma and
misery." (Mellen-Thomas Benedict)
Satan is a personal devil. (Howard
Pittman)
The sin and Satan we live is that of our own creation. (Sherry
Gideon)
Question: Do you believe in the devil? Answer: "No, but
if there is one, he would have to be an insane angel who was crazy
enough to fight with God, which would be as futile as for us to try to
stop the sunrise. I believe the devil is a mythological character,
invented by humans and used for a scapegoat. Grown people with immature
minds like to blame the devil for their misdeeds instead of acting like
people and taking the blame themselves. However, there may be earthbound
spirits of low vibrations, whom we may regard as devils because they
annoy us through mental telepathy. These demons tune in on us through
our low vibrations of hate, fear and greed. They can be tuned out with
unselfish love, or if necessary be chased away by the stronger spirit of
Jesus Christ. There's an old saying, "Birds of a feather, flock
together." The way to be rid of the "devil" is not to be like him. (Arthur
Yensen)
Question: Is there a Devil? Answer: "Just knowing the bad
mistakes you made through your carelessness or your selfishness is a
hell. You don't need a devil prodding you with a fork. Believe me, your
own anguished mind is a prod that is more hurtful than any prodding with
a devil's fork. I met a man over here who said that he would gladly
exchange good old Dante's Inferno for the mental anguish he was
experiencing over guilt feelings from wrong actions he had taken on
earth in certain business matters. In Dante's Inferno he would be able
to complain that the devil was doing this to him, whereas now he had no
devil to complain of because the devil was himself. Whether there is a
negative personal being who can be called the devil I cannot say. I have
not seen anyone personified as the devil. There certainly is an evil
force which builds up from the negative aspects of life and has a
tremendous influence. Thought forms which are evil certainly play a
part, but I don't think they are the whole answer." (Margaret
Tweddell)
I asked if there was a Devil or Satan. He said to me, "Would God allow
that?" He continued, "If I made you God for just a few seconds, what
would you do first?" I knew my first act would be to eliminate any Devil
or Satan. I asked, "How do I know right from wrong?" He replied, "Right
is helping and being kind. Wrong is not only hurting someone but not
helping when you can." (Cecil)
If we are convinced a devil is out there to trick or deceive us, and if we
have already pictured in our minds what this devil looks like and what
he plans on doing, we should really not be surprised when our worst
fears are confirmed. The devils we create become real and solid in the
next dimension because we created them. (Jerry
Gross)
The Book of Revelation is a highly symbolic
book describing the struggle within every person and humanity at large
between the divine nature of spirit and the human nature of fleshly
desires. The war in heaven between God and the "Devil" symbolizes the
war between our Higher Self and our lower self. Our Higher Self is a
part of the Universal Consciousness (Holy Spirit) of God. The
lower self is a person's selfish force that creates the illusion of
separation between people and is the source of all wars and atrocities
that occur in the world (our body). Only the purification of the
world (our body) will restore everything. In essence, the
greatest enemy we will ever face is self. (Edgar
Cayce)
"Babylon" is
symbolic of our selfish desires that cause us to war against ourselves
and others. This war between our Higher and lower self will eventually
led to the victory of our Higher Self. The "Devil" (self-will)
is then cast into the abyss (self-will being suppressed by the
divine will). The result is heaven on earth (the rule of the Holy
Spirit). This war between the Higher and lower self works on an
individual and a collective human level. For this reason, the Biblical
story from Genesis to Revelation is actually the story of the fall and
rise of humanity. It is the victory of our divine nature over our human
nature. It is paradise lost and paradise found. (Edgar
Cayce)
The only universal common aspect among all categories in my own NDE
research is that no one (0%) reported seeing a "Devil" being. I believe
this statistic suggests the concept of the Devil to merely be a myth. If
a Devil really did exist, it would be logical that NDErs would report
see the Devil in the hell realms. But, no NDEr in my research have
reported seeing a Devil. Some Christians claim the "Being of Light" to
be the Devil. However, because the "Being of Light" exudes overwhelming
love, light and concern, it is very unlikely that a Devil could do this.
(Kevin Williams' research)
Some early Christian sects, such as the
Marcionites and Ebionites, believed that the God of Moses was the
Satan-like figure described in the Bible because of the many atrocities
it caused. The Bible describes Moses' God as having a great number of
attributes that many believed that Jesus would most certainly have
condemned. NDE accounts agree with the teachings of Jesus that God is
unconditional divine love. This love is merciful, non-judgmental,
compassionate, and unlimited in forgiveness. The
Bible describes the God of Moses as being conditional upon men,
unmerciful, judgmental, ruthless, murderous, unjust and without
unconditional forgiveness. These early Christian sects have a good
point. But personally, I believe these devil-like attributes given to
the God of Moses are man's attempt to create God in their own image.
As for Eby's references to Satan, he describes such a being but, like all
other NDEs, he doesn't actually see such an entity. All of Eby's
references to "Satan" can be interpreted as our own lower human nature.
Eby draws heavily from his own religious bias and background to describe
his NDE almost to the point of embellishment. I would not be surprised
either if much of his NDE is an embellishment. One particular Christian
NDE researcher, Dr. Maurice Rawlings, embellished his research to favor
traditional Christian teachings. His explanation for this was
essentially that in order to win souls, the ends justify the means. So,
in my opinion, the many NDEs which use strong Christian symbolism and
concepts are to one degree or another a possible embellishment.
QUESTION:
Regarding the notion of "hell" the following assumption was made:
"Hell is not literal flames. Hell is a temporary spiritual condition of
total separation from love, joy, God, light, peace, sanity, etc. People
put themselves in this state until they no longer refuse to love others
and themselves." (Kevin Williams' research)
To which the spirit guides of www.afterlife101.com replied:
"Again that is a partially true statement. A person's thought process, his
ability to open his heart to love, self-love, self-forgiveness, and then
to the love of others unconditionally, is what helps an individual
accept that life after life on earth does not have to be a hell or a
continuation of all the challenges they are experiencing on earth. But
again it has to do with the conscious or unconscious visualization the
individual has about life after being human. And generally that comes
from how they experienced life on earth."
ANSWER: Yes, both of these statements are in
agreement. They do not contradict each other. Self-love and
self-forgiveness are divine traits along with self-sacrifice and
self-denial. Hell is a product of self-centeredness, self-interest,
self-gratification, self-righteousness, self-consciousness,
self-glorification, self-condemnation, self-will, and self in general.
QUESTION:
Furthermore, the following assumption regarding damnation to "hell" was
made:
"God does not condemn anyone to hell. People create their own hell by
their own physical desires." (Kevin Williams'
research)
To which the spirit guides of www.afterlife101.com replied:
"The truth of that statement is not by their own physical desires and
experiences but by their own consciousness level of their grievous acts
against others and themselves which is what they will take into life
after earth with them. What you take to heaven are your thoughts and
feelings of your life experiences."
ANSWER: The spirit guides of that web site are
assuming that our physical desires are different from our conscious
level of our negative actions which are carried over in spirit. They are
not.
QUESTION: Yet,
you yourself state in your "A Biblical defense of the NDE" section where
you respond to the following argument from a
well-known Christian
seminary professor:
"The Being of Light identified as Jesus in NDEs teach that all people are
welcome to heaven, regardless of whether or not they are a Christian."
(Seminary professor)
Your [Kevin's] rebuttal:
"This is not true. Many NDEs show that some people do go to hell. Although
it is God's will for everyone to go to heaven (1 Timothy 2:3-4 and 2
Peter 3:9) many people do not. NDEs in general show that faith in
Christ alone does not guarantee anyone a ticket to heaven."
ANSWER: My rebuttal against the professor is accurate.
After death, not everyone goes immediately to heaven or realizes their
heavenly nature. Some people go to hell (which is actually a realization
of their hellish nature within) immediately after death. However, hell
is revealed in near-death accounts as a temporary state of purification
and instruction, not a place of eternal damnation. NDEs confirm the
reality of universal salvation, the idea that everyone will eventually
get to heaven. However, some souls must be purified from their hellish
nature they acquired on earth. This is a temporary process.
QUESTION: So, now
you're are saying there is a "hell" and some of us will be condemned to
it. Yet, the whole philosophy from what I picked up from reading the
material at these two websites is that the whole idea is to love
ourselves unconditionally and become spiritually attuned to God and to
show unconditional love and forgiveness to all others the way Jesus
tried to teach us and we will be permitted into heaven. No one goes to
hell. Not even Hitler!
ANSWER: I have never denied the existence of hell. I
do deny the Christian concept of hell. What I am saying is that there
exists a hell, but no one is eternally condemned there. After death,
some people find themselves being purified of the aspects to their
nature that is incompatible with their divine nature.
Such is probably the case with Hitler. But
no one remains in this condition forever. It is God's desire to purge
the darkness in everyone's soul because God desires and wills that
everyone is saved from their lower natures. For this reason, everyone
will eventually attain heaven, including Hitler.
QUESTION: You
state that if we failed in one lifetime to achieve this Jesus-like
spiritual perfection we spend time in a spirit world until the time
comes to time comes again to be reincarnated back into physical form to
try to do better in the next life. This goes on indefinitely until we
finally become like Jesus. Furthermore, you don't even have to accept
Jesus as your Lord and Savior to achieve this.
ANSWER: Well, this is not exactly how I would state
it. Here is how I would put it:
Earth is only a temporary place for our schooling and our true permanent
home is heaven. Life on earth is a cycle of improvements
(reincarnations)
were we overcome certain weaknesses of our soul that is incompatible
with our spirit
(divine nature) and where we can be perfected. Any habit-forming
pleasure, and they are endless, traps us into the cycle of rebirth over
and over, until our appetites are finally put aside while we are in the
flesh. Between earth lives, some souls must be purified from their prior
life in the flesh before they are allowed to come to earth again. Other
souls dwell in other realms where rest, homecomings, learning, etc.. can
be experienced to prepare them for their next earth life.
We progress
at our own rate to reach the light. Soul growth occurs much faster here
on earth than in the spirit world because of the limitations that a
physical body can bring. If we do things that take us away from the
light, then we are perpetuating our time here. Everyone who comes to
this world must learn their final lessons in this world, where our free
will is called into play in a fashion different from existence in
other dimensions of reality. Life on earth means making mistakes
(what some refer to as "sins") and we are allowed to make them in
order to learn from them. Everything in life is a learning
experience. Our goal in this world is to attain at-one-ment with God
(as Jesus and Buddha did) so that we are free to experience higher
realms of the spiritual universe. In coming here to learn, we are also
trying to bring heaven to earth.
As for Jesus' role, Jesus was a soul who
experienced the full cycle of the
earth experience who attained at-one-ment with God.
He decided to come to earth to give humanity a pattern, a way for which
people can attain the same level of soul growth to free them from the
earth cycle in order to go on to higher realms. Jesus taught and
demonstrated that the way to heaven is by living a life of unconditional
love for everyone and God. Jesus is a Master soul who has devoted
himself to the soul progression of human beings on the planet. According
to my research, some near-death accounts state that he will reincarnate
again to usher in heaven on earth. It is my opinion that he is here now.
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"Those...religions which claim some singular
relationship with God, claim superiority over others, or exclude
people for various reasons, go against God's law that we love one
another as we love ourselves." - Sandra Rogers, a near-death
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