following is a discussion with
by the radio and television talk show host Joel Martin as written
in the book entitled,
We Don't Die, by Joel Martin and
George Anderson is perhaps America's greatest and most famous
psychic who has amazing paranormal abilities with the spirits
of the deceased. His abilities are so great, he was once hired
by the NYPD Homicide Department to solve unsolved murders. His
abilities have been profiled on many television and radio shows
as well. In these pages, he answers some questions about the
afterlife thereby shedding some light on the near-death experience. I
highly recommend all the books written by Joel Martin and Patricia
Romanowski about George Anderson,
We are not Forgotten,
Love Beyond Life, and
Our Children Forever. George Anderson's latest book is entitled,
Walking in the Garden of Souls. The following is a question and answer session
between Joel Martin and George Anderson:
1. Where is it that we go when we die? Does
the other side tell you where we're going?
Well, according to what they say, go through
the different levels of consciousness. We're working our way
up. It's like, to go up to the twelfth grade, you've got to
pass the first through the eleventh. When we pass on, we
do go into the tunnel, we can go through these little darker
levels, which can represent a form of hell or purgatory, because
these are the two negative levels, or the darker ones. But if
we've been a good person, we generally just seem to pass through
them very quickly and then we go on through the third and fourth
levels of consciousness, where average people such as ourselves
go - not everybody can be a Mother Teresa, who would probably
go higher up. When we go through these levels we meet our relatives
and friends greeting us at the end of the tunnel, much as in
the movie Resurrection, where they're waiting and they lead
us into the light. And there's like a form of spiritual rejuvenation,
like a reunion, like a party, 'Hey, it's great to see you again.'
We recognize each other by personality. As we all have individual,
unique fingerprints, we each have a very singular personality.
There's no physical body, but there's a spiritual body that
may take on a physical form, but to tell you the truth, I think
that's only during a reading, so I can see and describe what
the person being read can understand.
2. Geographically speaking, where is it? Is
it the stereotypical heaven, somewhere up above the clouds?
It seems that the next dimension is here,
it runs parallel to this one. Making the transition seems to
be more like a heavenly experience than a trip to the Hollywood-style
heaven. I think that the reason we have the sense of being uplifted
or believe that heaven is up is that we feel a sense of being
uplifted in the next stage of life. When we become one in the
next dimension, we feel that we understand everything, we feel
spiritually and emotionally uplifted. That's probably where
the conception of going up came from.
3. Can the spirits come right out and tell you
what the other side is like, or do you have to put pieces together?
It depends on their degree of awareness and
consciousness. Somebody may be having a different, subjective
experience over there, so they would have a different interpretation
of it. It's just as it is here with us. For example, I'll look
at the sky today and describe the color as sky blue. Yet if
there's a different shade tinted in it, or the sun moves a little,
or you look up even five seconds later, you could say it's more
turquoise, or powder blue. The same thing could be happening
on the other side.
I've never really heard any complaints about
the other side, unless the person has gone over there and into
the darker levels, for committing some serious crime, hurting
people, or committing suicide. Generally, thought, most spirits
I've heard from seem to be very happy, very content, very much
at peace, very aware and knowing of themselves, even if they
were very negative and very unhappy here. They seem to be aware
of a lot of knowledge and to understand it all there more than
we do here.
Learning and growing seem to be what it's
all about there. And they are able to understand themselves,
if they want to. I've been told by the other side that you have
to make a prime decision over there. You have to face up
to yourself and do something about it, otherwise you'll just
flounder and you won't progress spiritually. That seems
to be a very important issue, to recognize yourself, your positive
qualities and your negative ones, and try to do something about
it. I've also been told that they have tasks, jobs to do over
there. For example, David Licata told us that he works with
children and animals who have crossed over. It's like having
a job here, you just take on a spiritual job in the next stage
of life, where you earn your soul progression by helping others
crossing over, by helping people here find their way spiritually,
helping people there to find their way spiritually, to be involved
in various sorts of things.
4. Does it matter what level you're on to be
able to communicate?
You might be inclined not to come to me if
you're on one of the darker levels. I would not be attracting
anything that would be negative, so if you're on the darker
or the lower levels, unless it's for a specific spiritual purpose,
I would not discern you. A Hitler, to take one extreme, would
put himself in such a state of darkness that he would literally
not be able to communicate.
5. Will a suicide, for example, remain on that
Not perpetually. Through their own free will,
they can progress. This is why it's so important that people,
no matter what your religious belief or persuasion, even if
you're an atheist, remember to pray for those who have passed
on. Because that embraces them in love and encourages them
to progress. The problem that the
suicide faces in the next dimension is that, when you arrive
in the next level, it's not the pretty sight that the average
passing can be. Their problem is that they cannot forgive themselves. When
someone comes through in a reading and is starting to make me
feel as if they've taken their own life.
You feel like you're in the presence of a
ghost. There's a chilling feeling. And it's very important that
those coming through acknowledge what they've done. It's like
getting up and saying, 'I'm an alcoholic.' Coming forward and
saying, 'I have taken my own life.' A friend of mine who
had recently taken his life came through and did not know how
to go into the light. I kept telling him to go forward
to the light, but he was afraid of judgment. He couldn't
forgive himself. Also, he was having a problem with the fact
that after he had taken his own life, his spirit obviously lingered
around the scene of the act. He could not overcome the
memory of his father's discovering him, and that was haunting
him emotionally to a tremendous degree in the next dimension. What
he and many of us don't understand is that there is judgment
there, but it is not done by God on a throne. Judgment
rests basically with yourself. And we all know that the greatest
enemy we can face is ourselves.
It can take eons of time as we understand
it before they go into the light. It depends on the person.
You're in control. You hold the reins. Those who've come through
those darker levels have said that they've had to face themselves
and realize that if they don't shape up, in other words, learn
more about themselves, they're not getting anywhere.
6. Why are they able to face themselves on the
other side if they weren't able to do so here? What changes?
One of the things that the higher entities
in the next dimension say is that we can very easily cheat others,
but we can never cheat ourselves or God.
Supposing I went to one level and a relative
of mine has gone to another level, how do we communicate?
Well, again, part of it seems to be a matter
of progression. For example, if your mother's on the fifth and
your father's on the fourth, your mother can come down to your
father's plane, but your father cannot go up to her plane until
it's earned. So a lot of souls are inclined to dawdle on the
fourth or fifth plane until someone they love very much joins
them and becomes equal with them on that level so that they
can work spiritually together.
7. Once over there, do we main the relationships
we had here?
It seems that you might be inclined to be
close to a soul over there that you were close to here because
you're on the same vibration, or wavelength. For example, most
of us have a friend who we feel is closer to us, more like family
than someone in our own family. So do they, but they also seem
to learn to love one another completely and equally, even though
there may be a time when they're more attracted to a single
8. Now, some spirits may choose to remain on
the other side indefinitely, while others remain. When a spirit
does come back, does it always come back to the same family
it was with before, the same parents, the same loved ones?
We all seem to stay together with the same
people that we felt close with - birds of a feather flock together.
We may have different parents, our brother or sister could be
our parent next time. But we do seem to stay with the same other
souls that we feel a certain affinity with, or a good vibration
with. This may explain why we feel closer with our sister than
our brother, or why you feel we've always been together with
the same people from the beginning, but maybe we meet different
people along the line, who would highlight, enhance, or play
an important role in our lives at that specific point.
9. Some come back and some don't? What determines
Well, several things. They say it's best
not to try to come back right away, they say it's best to hang
out over there for a while, to rest, reflect, gain some knowledge
and experience, so that you're more prepared for your next lifetime,
and you'll be better able to fulfill what you want to accomplish.
But they do say that it's up to you. A lot of the souls seem
to go there and come back right away. Say you've been killed
in a war and you feel cheated in your life. You want to come
back out of hostility and anxiety. It's better to throw off
the negativity and come back in a more in a positive frame of
On the other side, certain souls have said
that they're going to wait out their time there. They
have decided not to come back, even though it could take eons
of time as we understand it to work out soul growth over there.
On the other side you're not subjected to temptation, whereas
here we've dealing with a positive and negative vibration of
discord, which can be difficult, as many of us will attest.
But a lot of souls I've spoken to have said 'no way,' they don't
want to be tested to go into the flesh again, they just want
to stay there and just work it out as long as it takes.
From: "We Don't Die: George Anderson's Conversations
with the Other Side," by Joel Martin and Patricia Romanowski
Copyright 1987, G. P. Putnam & Sons.