Dr. Richard Eby's NDE and the
Second Coming of Christ
Richard E. Eby, D.O., F.A.C.O.O.G., D.Ed., Ph.D. (June 26, 1912
- December 26, 2002) was a nationally recognized
osteopathic physician, gynecologist, professor and surgeon
with a very successful practice. In 1972, Dr. Eby accidently
fell from his three-story apartment landing
head-first resulting in an NDE. While experiencing
the wonders of paradise, Dr. Eby met Jesus Christ in
all his glory and had a long conversation with him.
Jesus told Dr. Eby he must now enter a ministry of
healing others. During his conversation with Jesus,
Dr. Eby was told he would be alive when the
Second Coming of Christ occurs. But Dr. Eby died
in 2002 and it is appears the Second Coming has not
occurred. With Eby's prophecy an apparent failure,
skeptics and fundamentalists Christians alike
concluded Dr. Eby to be a false prophet; and
therefore, put his entire NDE into question. This
article presents arguments why Eby's prophecy is not
a failure and includes a detailed account of his
amazing NDE testimony.
Dr. Eby was a 1937 graduate
and professor at the
College of Osteopathic Physicians and Surgeons of California
UC Irvine School of Medicine).
In 1939, Eby
served as an executive assistant of the American Osteopathic Association (AOA).
In 1943, Eby co-founded the former Park Avenue Hospital
in Pomona, California and, in 1948, he delivered his 1,000th
baby. In 1950, he became a member of the
American College of Osteopathic Obstetricians and Gynecologists
(ACOOG) In 1961, Eby became the charter president and trustee
of the Osteopathic
Physicians and Surgeons of California (OPSC). From 1963-1966,
he also served as president of the
College of Osteopathy and Surgery. In the early 1970s, Eby
played a key role in the amalgamation of the former
California Osteopathic Association (COA) with the
Medical Association (CMA). In 1977, he co-founded the
College of Osteopathic Medicine of the Pacific (COMP) now
a part of
University of Health Sciences in Pomona, which was the culmination
of his dreams for his profession on the West Coast. He was trustee
emeritus of that University until his death. Eby became the
recipient of numerous degrees and awards throughout his active
life including, in 1999, the Lifetime Achievement Award from
Physicians and Surgeons of California (OPSC) - the OPSC's
highest honor. According to
Philip Pumerantz, Ph.D., "Dick has done so much for the
osteopathic profession, more than can ever be documented. He
always downplays the tremendous influence he has had, but his
impact is profound and will affect the profession for decades
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| 1. An Overview of Dr. Richard Eby's
NDE and ADC with Jesus
In 1972, Dr.
Eby was leaning against a railing at a Chicago apartment building
when the support gave way, plunging him three stories, landing
headfirst. As his mortally injured body was loaded into an ambulance,
Eby had a near-death experience of “the most exquisite place”
entirely without shadows. Fascinated with his ethereal, white-robed
body, he was able to give the most detailed description of the
spirit body I have ever read - including the observation of
having no genitals - an observation a professional gynecologist
would be concerned about. His description of heaven as an luminescent
realm with indescribable music, beauty and exotic fragrances
is also one of the most detailed descriptions of heaven I have
come across. While experiencing the grandeur of paradise, Eby
Jesus Christ in all his glory and had one of the longest
conversations with him I am aware of. On this web page, you
can read the transcript of their conversation and his NDE extracted
from his book,
Caught Up Into Paradise. Eby's NDE ended after hearing his
wife calling out for him to return. He opened his eyes to excruciating
pain and lying in a hospital bed. From a glowing cloud floating
above him, Jesus told Eby he must now enter a ministry of healing
Dr. Eby toured Israel in 1977 and had the opportunity to visit
Lazarus’s tomb. While in the depths of the illuminated tomb
with a group of other people, the lights inside mysteriously
failed. During the chaos that followed, Jesus appeared to Eby
again, stating that, whereas Eby had seen heaven, he would now
see hell. Jesus gave him the following commission:
"You must be able to tell
them. They can choose between heaven or hell, but
tell them that I died to close hell and open heaven
just for them."
Dr. Eby was suddenly transported to hell and, for the next two
minutes, he endured the horrors of hell with its cold, rot and
isolation. As a result of this startling visitation he traveled
the world with his wife Maybelle, proclaiming God’s grace and
healing power. In 1978, Eby closed his medical practice in order
to follow his calling into a full-time ministry. His
communication (ADC) with Jesus in Lazarus’s tomb is recounted
in Eby's follow up book,
Jesus Told Me to Tell Them I Am Coming. Further miracles
are recounted in this book which also details Eby’s national
exposure from his appearances on the
Trinity Broadcasting Network, and the attention generated
by the miracles - both physical and spiritual - which accompanied
his encounters with the sick.
NDE is also unique in one more important point. During his conversation
with Jesus, Eby was told he would be alive when the
Second Coming of Christ occurs. But on December, 26, 2002,
Eby died from a protracted illness of which he tried to stay
alive as long as he could. and it is appears neither the Rapture
nor the Second Coming has occurred. With Eby's prophecy an apparent
failure, skeptics and fundamentalists Christians alike concluded
Eby to be a
false prophet; and therefore, put his entire NDE into question.
But I, the webmaster of this site, do not agree with this assessment
as you will find on this web page.
It is quite possible
Jesus has already returned through
and is alive today. There is strong Biblical and extra-Biblical
Jesus teaching reincarnation as the real interpretation
bodily rebirth known as the "Resurrection
of the Dead." Jesus
often preached in parables to hide their higher spiritual meaning
from the uninitiated.
There is also evidence of the Bible
several levels of interpretation. With this in mind, we
should evaluate Dr. Eby's testimony with an open mind and understand
the possibility that God works in mysterious ways.
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| 2. Why Dr. Eby's Testimony
Second Coming of Christ May Be True
If we accept
subjective NDE testimonies such as Dr. Eby's at face value,
we can conclude from this that the second coming of Jesus has
already occurred. Otherwise, Dr. Eby's testimony would be a
false testimony shows Jesus speaking a falsehood. However, I
have a strong reasons to believe Eby's testimony was correct
and Jesus has already returned - but not by appearing in the
sky as described in the highly symbolic
Book of Revelation
and gospels suggest - but by means of reincarnation. It seems
obvious to me that Jesus would enter into this world the same
way he did the last time, through human birth. This reaction
to this idea among certain Christians is one of hostility. Because
it suggests the reality of reincarnation rather than resurrection.
It shouldn't be thought strange that Christ would return this
way, after all, reincarnation was a widely held belief in Jesus'
day, even among Christians and Jesus himself. I have no doubt
that Jesus told Eby that he would return before his passing
and I have no doubt that it happened just as Jesus said it would.
Some Christians will just have to accept that Jesus is here
already just as he told Eby. It shouldn't be difficult for a
Christian to believe "reincarnation" to be the correct
interpretation of "resurrection." There is strong
Biblical proof that
the early Christians and Jesus taught
reincarnation. There also
history of reincarnation beliefs
among the early Christians. The
TRUE meaning of "resurrection",
as believed by many early Christians, is not the same as the
widely-held meaning as it exists today.
reasons, there should be no reason at all to believe Dr. Eby's
testimony about Jesus is false.
Dr. Eby's NDE is unusual
in another aspect in that Eby uses much of his own religious
bias to describe his experience.
Jody Long, an researcher
NDERF, points out the
following fact: "One of the near-death experience truths
is that each person integrates their near-death experience into
their own pre-existing belief system." This important truth
must be kept in the back of one's mind when reading these different
accounts. This is especially true because there is evidence
that Dr. Eby embellished his account over the years. However,
it would be difficult to believe that he would embellish the
testimony of Jesus that he would return before Eby died.
The following is his
testimony concerning his encounter with Jesus from his book
Caught Up To Paradise.
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| 3. Dr. Eby's NDE and
His Long Conversation With Jesus
I gasped! Suddenly in a new body in
a new place with new life, I was ecstatically joyful: no pain,
no tears, no sorrow, no memory. Nothing but incomprehensible
peace and infilling love. All was perfection. I stood awestruck
in a new weightless body, translucent and floating. Total love
enveloped and perfused me! What peace!
Then THE VOICE:
unmistakably sovereign, majestic, divine! None other can ever
compare. It seemed to originate within my head, speaking from
me, yet to me. With the authority of God, it thundered across
a great valley in which I had just landed:
The voice of my Creator was speaking!
It explained how I had gotten to heaven in timeless speed; and
above all It established an intimacy between us which is called
divine love. I was his child, Dick! Never had I been more excited.
Truly I was in heaven's paradise, in Jesus, with his mind in
me. We were as one!
I invite each
reader to share with me the following descriptions of how Jesus
spoke with me in paradise, in hell, on Earth, and through his
book. He specifically commanded me to tell such things, saying:
"These are the last days before
I return for my body of believers. I am coming for them
He explained that he
would be giving some of his children (when "available") many
documenting evidences to validate his prophecies.
need eyewitnesses of my glory and truth now. You are
but one. Go, tell them, tell them, tell them! There
is but little while until I come for my body of believers."
Everything was bathed in shadowless
light, with a baptism of love. Then it hit me! I WAS AT HOME!
MY REAL HOME! I BELONGED HERE where the presence of Jesus enfolded
I was momentarily speechless with
the ecstasy of it all! Then I realized that Jesus' voice had
declared me "dead." Yet I was totally alive. He really had meant
that only the former body and its imperfect mind were dead.
A glance down the gorgeous length of my valley ended my silence:
I heard my self shout:
before I could complete my query, that same voice in
a tone of gentle thunder echoed within my head:
you read my book?"
He was speaking to me (in fact, in
me) with a speed greater than lightning, and in a language of
sweet purity unlike anything that an earthly tongue could utter.
I gasped again. I had HIS MIND, impossible as it seemed! Every
word clearly meant exactly what was being said. We seemed to
have a joint mind: I would ask, and he would answer.
The speed of this communication
in such a MIND is hard to describe in human terms. Perchance
I can now liken it to a printed page on which the questions
being typed have the answers typed upon them, line upon line,
at the same time, instantly.
you had read my book you would have known all the answers.
Before I ever told my disciples to preach my good news,
I promised never to leave nor forsake them. As I sat
outside the temple I disclosed my impending death and
my return to glory as being necessary for their ministry.
Then I would transfer my power to them by sending my
Holy Spirit into them from Pentecost onward. He would
take my place in and among them on Earth as another
Comforter! I gave them a certain promise:
am going to prepare a place for you. I will come again
and receive you unto myself, that where I am there may
ye be also.
had already explained to my followers that my Father
had made them one in me, as I was one in the Father.
That makes us inseparable, as ONE."
Jesus paused as though the next thought
on his mind pained him greatly.
son," he resumed, "as it is written in my book, on the
next day I was arrested, tried, and crucified for claiming
identity with Jehovah. At my right hung a dying thief
who stopped ridiculing me when he noted the sign over
my head: 'KING OF THE JEWS' He believed it when he looked
into my eyes, and called over to me: 'Master, remember
thou me when you come into your glory!'
book tells you that I immediately promised him: 'This
day shalt thou be with me in paradise!'
thief heard me before the centurions broke his legs
so he would die immediately! My beloved disciple, John,
also heard me as he stood near my bleeding feet. I then
asked him to take my mother home with him because he
could explain what I had said to her and the disciples.
gave up my spirit to my Father as soon as I announced
to the crowd, 'It is finished!' Then I was free to prepare
paradise for that repentant thief in heaven. This is
my home here in the third heaven with my saints. You
are in paradise this day!"
Jesus had answered my first question!
I had instantly sensed that I was in heaven upon arrival there,
but now I knew which part this was! I had so much more to ask
about this new home.
To be talking with the Creator of
the universe, mind to mind, in this paradise, was unspeakably
exciting. Questions flooded through my new mind.
"But Jesus," I blurted out,
"Tell me your definition of paradise. It is obvious
that I am in heaven with you because everything is so
perfect. Tell me more!"
As he replied, his regal voice seemed
to bubble over with excitement and joy and love. I sensed his
pleasure at having a child of his come home this day:
child, didn't you read my book? I was so careful to
explain that I would prepare for each of you in the
heavenly places, an abode with me. I even arranged for
my disciples to watch me ascend into the heavens, enfolded
in my Shekinah glory cloud. I assigned two angels to
meet them there outside of Bethany to reassure them
that I would return in like manner. And I will do so!
I allowed my chosen lad, Stephen, to see me seated at
the right hand of my Father in heaven, just to prove
to his executioners that I was there, alive! Saul had
ordered the stoning. He was holding Stephen's clothes.
It shocked him to hear Stephen shout with ecstasy at
seeing me. You see, I had plans for Saul that would
require me to blind him with my light and later be stoned
to death at Lystra so I could catch him up to this third
heaven and show him the unspeakable glories of heaven.
He would be instantly persuaded from then on that absolutely
nothing could ever separate him from our love. After
he saw paradise, I told him to write about it, and I
changed his name to Paul."
As Jesus talked, I became increasingly
startled. The speed of his "heaven-language" was incredible
yet totally clear within my head. At the same instant he was
obviously replacing the needed memories which death of my original
brain tissue had erased. Later, as we walked and talked that
day I discovered that he also placed upon my new mind the very
questions which I should ask! Only by asking him the proper
question could he give the needed answer!
he returned me to life on Earth I checked his book to find confirmation
of this truth: sure enough, there it is: Jesus' earthly brother,
James, had written to us: "Ye ask and receive not because ye
ask amiss." Also, St. Paul nailed down the fact by writing:
"We know not what we should pray for as we ought ... but
the Spirit itself makes intercession for us." What a lesson
for us on Earth! For us the Spirit prays, and for us Jesus looks
upon the heart to find our true need!
my Son, to answer your question: Paradise is a holding
tank for the souls who have accepted me as their savior
simply by faith in my having laid down my life to redeem
them from the curse of sin. I prepared a new place for
each of them, as I had promised. It is one of my gifts
of mercy and grace, that their joy may be full! Here
they become one with me, completing the talents which
I gave each one so that each can function as a distinct
member in my body.
is also my heavenly school for perfecting the saints.
You must be taught how to become priests and kings in
my kingdom so as to teach others to worship My Father
in spirit and in truth. I am your teacher renewing your
mind to comprehend the greatness of our unsearchable
riches of grace and mercy and love for all."
He paused from his exciting explanation
to let me gasp.
burst from my mind to his:
"Do you mean, Jesus, that each
of your children in paradise has a separate place just
for his particular enjoyment?"
my son! Didn't you read in my book that I would go to
prepare a PLACE - not a commune, nor a kibbutz; not
a tenement nor a tract house? It would be a place fit
for providing the abundant joys and fulfilled dreams
and talents of each child, as a new creature, My joint
heir! Each person is unlike any other, except that I
am in each one, perfecting, teaching, sanctifying. Each
of their abodes reflects the perfection of the purposes
and promises for which I prepare my people and places!
know my sheep, just as they know my voice. I made them.
Heaven is so large that I have unlimited space for each
one's paradise, a place of his own. This is just a tiny
portion of heaven. I have limitless plans. I think of
paradise as my sheepfold; I am its gate!
is your paradise. It is what you could not fashion for
yourself, so I did it for you. That was my promise.
It is your temporary abode for now!"
I was stunned with excitement. This
huge valley of celestial beauty was mine? The perfection of
its forests, flowers, meadows and mountains was awesome.
But even so,
the presence of Jesus in and about me was more important right
now. I must ask another question that sudden formed.
Surely this great valley (among whose
meadows of flowers I found myself standing) looked to be permanent.
Yet Jesus had stated that it was a temporary abode, a holding
tank! Four-pedaled flowers with their golden throats extended
up into my legs, apparently as oblivious of my presence, as
I was insensitive to theirs. Nothing seemed at all temporary.
"Jesus, what is temporary
about this place, my paradise? It seems timeless to
you read my book, son? My Father's plans are even greater
for you than this. I explained that he is preparing
a body of new creatures, which I have called members.
This is the place where the souls of you who die before
that BODY is completed are being assembled. Each member
has an assignment to perform once I join him to me,
the Head. Each day more members are being added as my
earthly children surrender themselves into my arms.
One of these days my body of true believers will be
completed to my Father's satisfaction."
He paused as though the joy of that
thought had overwhelmed him for the moment.
Father assures me that the time is yet a little while,
but very little. Soon he will call those already in
paradise to surround me as we descend from this third
heaven to the first heaven around the Earth. The souls
of all my saints will be instantly clothed in their
new resurrection bodies, as will the living saints on
Earth who rise to us in the glory cloud! At the sounding
trumpet they all receive new bodies and rise to meet
us in the air. We return as my body to my throne room
with the Father. Now do you understand why I called
this place a temporary abiding place? Do you grasp what
it will mean to be one with me and the Father in your
incorruptible bodies? My book states that I assumed
mankind's sin so you 'might be made the righteousness
of God' in me!"
I can clearly recall how Jesus' voice
paused at this moment. He was savoring an anticipation too intense
and private to be revealed. Was he pre-living that moment at
which he would enjoy the victory which his Father would give
him as the eternal reward for his own long-suffering? His own
sting of death would be swallowed up, and he would be the omniscient
Head of a completed and compliant body for whom he had shed
his blood on a terrible cross. He would reign as KING of the
Jews after these days of grace. Then his thoughts returned to
son, when that time has come, my Father will call to
me. The applause of the heavenly hosts will be deafening;
they too have been awaiting that day, ever since they
announced my birth to the shepherds at Bethlehem so
long ago. Scoffers will gaze with fear and wonder as
my angelic hosts watch me fulfill my promise to my earthly
body of believers at my soon return to Earth.
book records the many signs which will precede my coming
for my family. I tried to explain those events to my
disciples, very carefully. I promised them that I was
leaving my Holy Spirit as a comforter to instruct them
as they studied my word, and to tell them of the things
to come. I want my children to be informed about our
plans in advance. I want them to be filled with my joy.
After all, they are mine: I created them and bought
them back from satanic slavery. I told them that I would
come for them so that we could be together forever.
My Father wants them all to believe Me."
His lightening-fast discourse ceased.
I surveyed my paradise and this new body that floated!
I glanced at my wrist
to note the time, since there was no sun in the sky. My wrist
had no watch on it, nor was there any telltale evidence of a
watchband. In fact, the whole arm and body was of a beautiful,
glowing, semi-transparent material without mar or scar. I gasped
to realize that this was ME! (I would ask Jesus more about it
later.) A strange sense of timelessness gripped me. It was simply
"Jesus, what happened to time, it seems to have vanished!"
His disbelief at such a silly question
in paradise was evident in his voice as he replied with loving
child, the book tells you clearly that all things seen
or unseen, felt or unfelt, are my creations. Without
me nothing was made that was made. Originally there
was nothing at all but the everlasting God in whom I
am the Creator. That included what is known as 'time'
in the universe of the firmament. Remember? I named
myself the 'Alpha and Omega,' the beginning and completion
of all things. Remember? I took my beloved John to heaven
one day to foresee the fulfillments of my promises.
He was so overwhelmed at seeing me that I had to introduce
myself again as the 'Amen, the Faithful, True Witness,
and the beginning Creator of the creations of God! I
had taken him ahead in 'earthly time' to the 'day of
the Lord', the time of my victory over the works of
Satan. We exist here in that timelessness, the eternity
of God, the kind of life that does not perish! It is
our gift of love, 'eternal life!'"
The simplicity of his explanation
left me shaken. All that I could think was, "Of course!" Jesus
had quietly restated that only the most high God could create
anything. Neither an idol nor a man could do so! For every reason
conceivable, no one less than God could make a universe without
raw materials or divine intelligence. History and common sense
prove that especially 'eternity' itself!
love and praise exploded within me as I sensed the immensity
of the person who was talking to me so gently.
"You are wonderful, Jesus. You
do not think or act or promise in terms of 'time', do
you? Therefore your thoughts are unlimited. You can
see all things as having happened already, even before
they occur. That is how you can plan all events and
creations to work together for the good of Your BODY
and the glory of you, our Head! Even this paradise you
made for me was prepared before I would arrive, wasn't
it? You planned and planted all these fantastic trees,
flowers, and grasses in my valley in advance of my coming
here today, didn't you?"
As if wreathed in smiles at my comprehension,
my son! That is why I am the Truth, since no one but
God could be. I am showing you now that what I said
in my book about death and paradise, and even about
my promise of you and me being together as one in eternity,
is the truth. I and my word are one also. Again I emphasize
that I have written only truth in my book. I have begged
my people 'to ask and seek and knock' as evidence of
their earnest search for my everlasting love. So few
ever do. Even my disciples failed to ask. I had to chide
them by stating, 'Ye have not because ye ask not!'
even made it very simple for them by promising if any
two would agree upon a request, I would answer. I already
had prepared the right answer in advance; by faith they
were to accept it. That is how my Father, our Spirit
and I have arranged for all things to work together
for those who love us. I told them to abide in me so
that whatsoever they would seek would be our will to
Then Jesus paused as though disappointed
that my children on Earth would believe me! Oh that
they would trust my word, and would talk with me! I
gave them the model of how to pray; it is childlike
because it is the expression of confidence. 'Our Father,!'
He is the hallowed God, the only God who can help; the
only God who loves them and listens. I told them to
request that 'his kingdom come and his will be done
That means now. Their mouths speak
it but their hearts doubt it. How can he answer if they do not
worship in spirit and in truth?
gift is eternal life which has to start on Earth where
they need its cleansing power, and where we need our
good news of salvation accepted. Oh that my people would
start their lives with me there so they could live abundantly
and not perish! Why do they want to wait and wait until
it is too late?"
His voice seemed to drift off into
a fog of sadness. I sensed that he was reliving a Gethsemane
of agony where he had foreseen a world of people rejecting his
way to share their lives with him. It had made him bleed!
He had explained
about timelessness, so it now seemed a good "time" to inspect
this paradise of mine a bit more closely. Nothing so grand could
be imagined as a "walk" with Jesus who could answer the swarms
of questions forming in my new mind.
"What a view! What a place
Jesus had prepared!"
I hung stock-still suspended in weightlessness
a few feet above the flowered meadow. The ecstatic release from
gravity in this new body was part of the permeating peace which
surrounded me. Without time, I had no need to hurry.
me. It came from all directions. Its harmonic beauty unlike
earthly vocal or instrumental sounds was totally undistorted.
It flowed unobtrusively like a glassy river, quietly worshipful,
excitingly edifying, and totally comforting. It provided a reassuring
type of comfort much like a protective blanket that whispered
peace and love. I had never sensed anything like it. Perhaps
"angelic" would describe it.
was "sounding" within my head, not from an eardrum. Obviously
it was not airborne. Most unusual to me was the absence of any
"beat." Then I realized that without "time" this heavenly music
could have no beat which is a measure of time! I was hearing
harmonic perfection, undistorted by any interposed medium between
me and its source, as heard mind-to-mind. I could wait no longer
"Jesus, tell me about this wondrous
music all about me. Who is the composer? How is it made?
From whence does it come? It is gorgeous!"
I was not disappointed when he began
his answer by again asking me:
you read my book? Repeatedly it exhorts my children
to praise me with music from strings, trumpets, timbrels
and voices. It is and was the prime communication of
worship and praise and thanksgiving. Since I am the
Creator, I am the composer of heaven's music which you
Music became the resulting harmony
from all of our creations, both of matter and energy. All resonated
in unison with us. The elementary form was of and from and in
ourselves. I might explain it as a triad of sub-electronic energy
particles with and around which We constructed everything in
our universe. The wave-forms we called light; whereas the material-forms
we called dust of the Earth and water and air. Out of these,
and into these, we created animals and birds and fishes and
vegetable life to support them. Over these we created a mankind
to supervise them as our appointed custodians made in our special
image to act for us on Earth!
as I tried to capture the immensity of his explanations.
must understand, my son, that original creation mirrored
the composition and perfection of Person-God. All creation
vibrated in unison with us! There was total accord and
harmony everywhere as the whole creation was resonating
with and in God!
separate thing or being thus carried out an appointed
task in our scheme for the universe. A heaven-form of
music resulted as even the stars sang in their appointed
circuits. Here in paradise you are hearing these melodious
vibrations directly upon your new mind, undistorted.
On Earth you heard distorted sounds through the air
waves. Throughout heaven the music flows from my throne,
uninterrupted, undefiled, and peace-giving."
Jesus paused again.
book tells of the time when Lucifer's rebellion in heaven
changed some things. He sought to usurp my Father's
throne, assume his position as the most high God, and
to rule the universe. For that blasphemy Lucifer was
cast from heaven to Earth; in fact, I saw him fall as
a bolt of lightning! In a tantrum of hate and rage over
being deposed so fast he and his fallen angels disfigured
our perfect Earth. It became void and uninhabitable.
For punishment befitting his enemy of God, Lucifer was
given a new name, Satan, since he was the self-appointed
'adversary' of the Almighty. Anything that God had made,
Satan would attempt to destroy from then on. As Lucifer
he had been created the highest angel about the throne,
one of his assignments and talents being the chief musician
in charge of worship and music. In his rebellious anger
he set about destroying harmony on and in the Earth
from then on. That is why the Earth where he operates
now is out of harmony with God's other creations. In
my book we call this disharmony 'sin', because it defies
God's will that even the heavens declare the glory of
God and the firmament show his handiwork.
be of good cheer, my son. The Father has permitted me
to overcome Satan's world system of sin, and to destroy
the works of Satan, and to re-establish righteousness
in the hearts of my friends. Eventually in his chosen
time he will restore all creation as it once was, in
It was clear enough that God's
"heaven-music" was ever-present as a permeating reminder of
the purity and power in its Creator. As God's methods of communication
are headlined by music, even so is Satan's method of distorting
its language to deceive through his "rock"! Jesus had clearly
implied already that one of his final missions would be to destroy
the very "works of the devil" which include all music that fails
to honor the Lord. Messiah promised to destroy any disharmonies
which Satan uses to lure and deceive innocent children into
the pits of hell!
around me suddenly seemed louder. I rushed to a nearby tree
and grasped its trunk to my ear: it was "singing." I lifted
my right elbow to my head; it too emitted the same joyous, beatless
melody. Excitedly I stopped to pick some flowers, and found
them already in my hand. They too were "playing" the tune.
This bouquet in my hand made me gasp
in wonderment for two reasons: it was so suddenly there in my
hand without my having as yet picked it, and it was so exceedingly
beautiful! I had merely thought about a bouquet, and there it
was, ready for my inspection.
I was now
gazing at stamens and pistils and calyces of transparent gold.
Lengthwise through them I could see down into their stems. It
was my first moment to see an example of heaven's liquid transparent
gold? Such a thrill to share its beauty!
Then I noted
the stems which filled my palm! Soft as velvet, and devoid of
moisture, yet so alive! The pure-white petals, four to each
flower, were identical, flawless, and picture-perfect. They
seemed to be internally energized since all were emitting light
of appropriate color.
"Jesus, I do not understand.
I just decided to pick some flowers. They are already
in my hand. I can see transparent golden centers, and
their stems are waterless. I also sense that I am speaking
with You through a new mind, with which I receive immediate
son," came the reply, "you are discovering how my mind
works. Here in paradise I have given you a portion of
my MIND with which we communicate. You just discovered
one of its properties: a thought in heaven instantly
becomes an act or a fact. DIDN'T YOU READ MY BOOK? In
it I told my children that 'ye have the Mind of Christ'
when you are in me. On Earth they too seldom use it.
Here in paradise it is the only mind. The earthly mind
died with the carnal body; it was an enmity to me! Flesh
and blood can not inherit the kingdom of God; only a
righteous mind is present in heaven.
I speak mind-to-mind in my heaven-language. My word
immediately performs my will. It is truth! To create,
I think, and it is done. Of course, Satan has no power
to interfere in this heaven.
hung the stars in space to tell of my protection and
promises. When I wanted an earthly family to fellowship
with me, I thought of God's image, and it became a man
who would live with life-flowing blood. I thought of
animals, fish and birds: there they were, ready to eat
the foods which I had carefully prepared for them that
day. Even now, when I wish to bless my people, the power
of my thought provides and transmits my blessings anywhere
I send them.
book tells mankind that my thoughts are not as his are:
his are vanity and evil and against Me. They come from
the mind of unsaved man. There is no power in such thinking.
To me it is an abomination.
I am the righteousness of God, My thoughts are precious
and unlimited. Just as this paradise is far above the
Earth, so my thoughts are of peace and of goodwill toward
men. My power sheds my love on them!
I created something new, I did not need evolution! I
AM THE WORD. I am all that my Father needed to form,
all that is seen from things not seen! Satan detests
me and everything I created, so he used a theory intended
to blaspheme my power: a lie and deception. He still
does. There is no truth in him anyway. He knows better:
he was among the first and highest creations, but he
fell through his overwhelming pride to an eventual eternity
in hell which was prepared for the punishment of him
and his worshippers.
son, your mind in paradise works with the power of mind.
I give that very special privilege to all the children
were amazed at the gold in the flowers. I enjoyed watching
you discover that heavenly things are of a material
unlike the dust of the Earth. Our gold is pure and transparent
and eternal. My light shines through it. I created it
that way as a gift to my Father! It bespeaks his perfection."
Jesus hastened to explain more.
were wondering about those 'dry' stems. My book would
have told you that because of sin. Satan lied and did
deceive Eve, and then Adam, into sinning against their
Creator-God. In heaven, which includes paradise, there
are no gases such as hydrogen and oxygen from which
I made water on Earth. On Earth it is essential to maintain
life. It is a substitute for what we have here, LIVING
WATER! Earthly water has become polluted. Living water
is always pure. It flows from my throne. One drop can
last for eternity. Remember? I told the woman at the
well that she should ask of me a drop of that living
water. She was so excited that she sent a crowd of her
friends running to meet me!
water has been so dirtied by man that I will someday
have to destroy all of it, and remake the old Earth
with a new one without even a sea!
son, you know that everything in all of heaven is sustained
by MY LIVING WATER. Your flowers are one example which
I let you discover so that you would ask me for an answer.
Your flowers are watered from my throne through my Spirit.
You noted the absence of any fallen leaves. My living
water prevents leaves from dying; it does not evaporate!
All forms of life here is maintained by my light and
my living water. Both are pure and eternal. I told you
in my book about these leaves: they are for the healing
of the nations! And I told you that I would be the light
of heaven, and no curse can exist in my light!
the time of creation, we ordered each life form to multiply
'after its own kind,' including new mankind. We made
them male and female so that their union in procreation
would mirror the bond of loving unity which exists between
the Father in heaven and his family on Earth. That is
my Father's greatest love! He even had me shed my blood
and die in order to re-establish that relationship as
an eternal gift!
son, the time is coming when Satan will be bound in
a bottomless pit for a thousand years awaiting his banishment
into eternal punishment in a lake of fire! His reign
of terror on the Earth will have ended. No longer will
he be allowed to corrupt the minds and families of man.
His worldwide rule over the nations will have been suddenly
ended. I will rule instead! As I told you in my book,
with Satan gone I will create a new heaven and Earth
and a new city, Jerusalem. My peace and grace will abound
(instead of every kind of sin and hate as have existed
on Earth since Babylon because man chose to worship
the devil). The whole universe will then be set
free to worship the righteous God."
Five years after this conversation
with me, Jesus re-appeared to me in Lazarus' tomb with an amazing
"Go tell them what I explained
to you in paradise when I let you die for a while!"
NOTE: This was a mystical experience Dr. Eby had while on
tour in Israel while he was inside of Lazarus' tomb.
I have been attempting to speak and
write words ever since of that fantastic moment, but no human
language is at all adequate. However, I pray that some words
here have been meaningful to someone. Jesus promised that he
would see to that! (This is his story too.)
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| 4. A Detailed Description
of Dr. Eby's Spirit Body
Suddenly, as the risen Lord paused
in his explanation of future glories in a righteous universe,
I realized that the new body I had in this paradise had not
once signaled its presence to my mind. I had been oblivious
of its existence while Jesus was talking. And yet it was "me",
and vitally alive. This raised another question.
These events in paradise had occurred
with such lightning-like speed that I had not inspected my totally
comfortable new body. It was unbelievable, as was everything
else up there!
I was recognizable
as "me." My shape, size, and appearance would indicate that
I had been changed suddenly into an unmarred, unscarred, weightless
"me." This was Dick Eby in some new form! My amazement grew
with each part that I inspected. Never had I seen anything like
it. Was I "in" a new body, or was I "the" new body? I could
To this day I do not know; neither
did St. Paul who sagely described his similar experiences as
"unutterable," not knowing whether he was "in or out of the
body." He said that it was "celestial."
fascinated me. Obviously of a substance peculiar to heaven,
it was modestly glowing, transparent to the direct gaze, yet
semi-solid at times. Looking down at my feet, I was shocked
to see myself not touching the solid ground, although I had
felt a thud when I had suddenly arrived there. I hung gracefully
above the lush grasses of this meadow. I noted stemmed flowers
with glowing white petals standing quietly within my legs up
to the kneecaps. I saw no muscles nor nerves, no vessels nor
bones, just that homogeneous glass-like "spirit-matter"! Obviously
these flowers ignored my presence, just as I did not feel theirs.
Reflexly I feared lest I had damaged these heavenly flowers
by landing upon them; I would lift my right leg off them. Before
finishing my thought, the leg was raised, and the flowers remained
motionless and perfect. I gasped. My thought had lifted the
leg as it was being simultaneously "processed."
I heard myself think:
"That's exciting; I will lower
my leg back over the flowers and see what happens."
Nothing was felt; not a petal moved
within my leg. It was amazing.
of being "free indeed" in a new place and a new body made me
feel like a spirited calf loosed from a stall. I decided to
run around my paradise and learn more about it and me. At the
thought, I was running without touching the ground. Although
my legs were in motion, my speed changed with my thoughts. I
came to a tree and passed throughout it without feeling anything.
I kicked my feet through the grasses, bushes, and bed of flowers;
nothing was disturbed. They simply passed through my legs with
no resistance. I was rapidly learning that a "spirit body" and
this heavenly vegetation are not of any earthly substance.
running to inspect my own body more closely. It was homogeneous.
As I gazed through it I was surprised to see no organs. It apparently
functioned without members of differing secretions and excretions!
It was immediately logical to me that in heaven there is no
need for a body to ingest, digest, transform, reform, nor to
"process" foods or waste! In heaven there is no polluted water
nor air nor chemical to attack the spirit body. There is not
even an unclean thought to be rejected!
This new spirit
body had no restrictions imposed by an outer or inner environment
of solids, gases, or waste. What excitement! I was enjoying
dashing effortlessly around the huge valley floor of flowering
meadows, and up the mountainsides to the stately, symmetrical
"cedars of Lebanon" (as my mind was silently naming them).
I tried to
cast my shadow across the underlying fields as I swooped along.
Everything was so brightly lit. It seemed abnormal not to see
shadows so I flailed my arms: nothing. The light of heaven was
coming from no one source, but was emitted everywhere in appropriate
colors. Each bit of vegetation seemed to contain a light source
of its own. So did I.
raised my arms in thanks and adoration for my Lord's love in
showing me heaven's wonders which were mysteries to me. As I
bowed my head, I noted a glowing pure-white gown which somehow
I had not seen when I looked through it in search of organs!
I was awed by its total weightlessness and silky softness. My
raised arms had parted its overlapping folds for the moment,
revealing me as a neuter (i.e. no sex organs)! This came as a shock, although I had
not felt surprise at the absence of defects or scars. This alteration
was so unexpected!
"Lord Jesus, why am I now a
neuter? I was a man."
Dick, you were always a man, a child of God who returned
our love by telling others of the good news about me.
Remember? You read in my book the very first order I
gave to Adam and Eve? 'Be fruitful and multiply!' I
told them to replenish the Earth, not heaven. Again
I told the Sadducees (who did not believe in a resurrection)
that they 'knew not the scriptures' when they speculated
about wives in heaven. I explained that after the resurrection
all would be like angels who do not marry nor raise
families. Everything in heaven is created or re-created
into perfection! It is all in my book. None other is
fact, everything that my children need to know about
how God thinks and works and judges and rewards, either
before or after the cross, is already in my book. That
is why I commanded mankind to 'engrave my words upon
their hearts,' and to pass them along from generation
to generation. I wanted everyone to hear and know just
who I AM, the Messiah, their one hope of salvation,
their most high God."
I checked my body again:
truly celestial! Its senses were too keen to describe.
painless, instantly responsive. Comfortable and totally
peaceful. Unaware of any disharmony elsewhere. Thinking with
the mind of Christ. Sensing that I was IN him somehow.
He had said so clearly:
"I and the Father are one."
He had prayed so fervently:
that they all may be one, as thou, Father, art in me,
and I in thee; that they may be also one in us!," the
Father declared it done!"
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| 5. A Detailed Description
of the Heaven Dr. Eby Experienced
The very contemplation of experiencing
this fulfillment of being in paradise with the risen Jesus was
unutterable. To know that I, in this spirit body, was actually
in some glorious sense in him for eternity staggered even the
imagination of my new mind. It was so obvious that Dick Eby
had not of himself merited any such glory.
paradise were occurring unbelievable fast. Thoughts and actions
there seemingly vie with each other to be completed instantly.
The environment of heaven with its timelessness, weightlessness,
and lack of all earthly confusion and stress results in a type
of "joy" unattainable in this world system. I simply stood (floated)
quietly, peacefully, entranced in an experience which only a
living, loving God could have arranged for his followers!
this time seemed to be a component of myself, of my spirit body
and of my mind. He must have been amused at my near-delirious
joy while inspecting the place he had prepared for my pleasure.
son, you seem to be enjoying the freedoms of heaven!
You looked surprised especially over your spirit body
which is so different from your former one. That is
one reason that I had allowed it to die so that I could
reveal to you another truth which my book contains.
You now know that my book is true when I promise complete
healing as part of salvaging my sheep from sin. I had
to prepare an incorruptible body to replace the fleshly
one that had been cursed ever since Adam disobeyed me
in the garden.
order not to break my own verdict, I had to sentence
Adam's seed to 'surely die' because he followed Satan's
advice. I had to leave the seeds of death in his flesh.
My book says that I can and will mend man's body when
it will result in glory to my Father; but I do not give
'divine' health to the carnal body: only to the spirit
or resurrection form. Death of the dust-body (not
the human spirit) is still a divine decree. Only
through rebirth of the spirit in a new creation (which
will transform man completely) can an incorruptible
body be attained, fit for eternal existence in and with
me! I made that fact so clear by dying and arising in
my new body! I was the example. I told my disciples
that they would follow me in that newness of life. A
few understood finally, after seeing me ascend to heaven!
Father empowered me to act as 'a quickening Spirit'
in order to raise the dead, in body and spirit. Remember?
I told that secret to Mary and Martha: 'I am the resurrection
and the life!' Then I demonstrated how my Father had
given power to me (for his purpose) when needed.
They watched, and they believed! YOU are here now because
I passed you from death unto life!"
Already this paradise of marvels had
supplied enough wonders! Any earthly dreams about "heavenly
mansions" had been corrected and surpassed. No memories of Earth
remained with me except the ones which Jesus was obviously implanting
in my new mind in order to understand what he had to tell me.
His mind-to-mind conversation from within me was unbelievable
precise as to meaning, and as fast as lightning. What a teacher!
I just stood
still, surveying the peace-filled valley, quiet except for the
background music that flowed through and around everything.
The brilliant light of heaven filled the "sky" without hurting
the eyes of my "spirit body." No sense of fatigue or need for
sleep existed in this body. There was no "time", no "daylight"
savings! No hurry, hurry.
Then I noticed
something amazingly delightful: I was bathed in a delicate perfume,
totally "heavenly!" I had been smelling it all along, but was
too excited to stop and sniff its absolute loveliness. It seemed
to permeate the landscape and me. I imagined that whatever it
was, it was certainly fit only for a king!
"Jesus," I exclaimed, "What
is this perfume? Do angels use it? Where does it come
Silence. I repeated the query. Still
no answer. Perhaps the Lord would answer later? (He did!
But not in heaven).
answer, I turned my gaze toward the far end of my valley. Again
I gasped at its grandeur. Tall rolling hills stretched into
the distant sky, skirted at their feet with green meadows trimmed
in white and gold flowers. My mind was reminding me of Jesus'
comment about "lilies of the field" whose adornment surpassed
the elegance of Solomon.
I was peacefully
examining a cluster of intriguingly lovely lilies (kind unknown
to me) when an unexpected strangeness suddenly seemed to crush
(I had been enjoying
my paradise all this time; the reality of being "at home" had
become a normal situation which can best be described as an
immersion into total peace, unending and perfect!)
It was as though a subtle "change
in plans" had now occurred: my perfect peace seemed to "crack."
An unexplained restlessness crept into me, and a memory formed
in my mind for the first time: Where is Maybelle, my loving,
lovely wife on Earth? We were so close that she must have died
too. She must be up here in her very own paradise. I must find
her and take her a bouquet of these lovely flowers. She would
so enjoy them. Where do I find her? I feel so lonesome.
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6. Dr. Eby Returns to His Physical
I looked away from the flowers at
my feet, just as a narrow path suddenly parted the lush grass,
as if a rushing blade had mowed a strip from my feet to the
far end of the valley. Just as suddenly we both were running
along (but just above) this pathway. I shouted to Jesus:
"What is happening? Where am
I headed? Why do I suddenly remember my Maybelle? I
must find her!"
"My son, fear not! You
remembered about her because I put it upon your mind
that she was part of you. I wanted you to understand
why my Father and I made marriage something very
special. I wrote in my book a warning: 'Let no man
put asunder what God has united!' We were planning
the earthly family to be as close-knit as is our
heavenly family, like a mirror-image!"
I noted that our speed along the path was rapidly accelerating,
and that a curve to the right was visible far ahead where the
path disappeared into a pass.
are feeling 'incomplete' all at once because your other
half is 'missing'. We made the two of you one! I want
you to experience something right now in paradise with
me which you could not sense elsewhere! I am letting
you feel 'intense hurt', the hurt of lonesomeness, such
as I have felt from being separated from my earthly
people for so long! Remember? I told Adam that it is
not good to be alone as a man! Since he was made in
our image, the same applies to God.
chose a family once: We espoused Israel and Judah as
the wife of Jehovah. She and we would walk and work
together to bring down the idol worship of Satan's nations
who rejected their Creator.
our wife Israel chased after other gods, and played
the whore and 'slept' with Satan. Jehovah (who includes
me) had to obey his own laws, so we gave her a bill
of divorcement. We had to chasten her until she would
repent: otherwise we would be breaking our own rules!
Since then she has not yet repented, and is still wandering
like lost sheep.
am lonesome for my people to come home to me. I even
came to Earth to win them back, but they said 'Away
with him! Crucify him!' I left them a promise that I
still love them. After all I even died for them. I promised
that I would restore my divorcee and would wash her
filthy rags of whoredom white as snow. I would make
her my new bride adorned in a pure white wedding gown
with jewels. As a wedding present I would reestablish
her nation on Earth to be a blessing once again (instead
of the stumbling stone). I must be her king on David's
throne! And soon!
Father and I have felt so neglected all these centuries
without the love we sought to enjoy with our family.
Can you now imagine how we hurt as I await my body and
my Father waits to remarry a penitent wife as our new
bride? I am letting you feel that sense of separation!"
Only the rush of our
speed could have turned my attention away from Jesus' profound
statements. The bend in the path was approaching in the distance,
so Jesus hastened to finish his lesson in marriage:
son, the most important earthly gift meant to reflect
the inseparable bond of love which unites us with our
sheep in our fold! We become ONE with them, just as
we intend marriage to make one out of two on Earth!
That is what happens when a man and his mate let us
put them together. I said so in my book which is my
love-letter to our family on Earth.
that my people would turn back now to God! My Father
is unwilling that any should perish, but very few listen
to us. Their eyes and ears are sealed over by sins which
they enjoy. It simply makes our search for the lost
ones all the more intense! I have prepared and promised
them unsearchable riches in our presence; in fact everything
that I have received from the Father I have willed over
to them, jointly! I want my body of believers completed
very soon, so that the bride can be united in us at
the marriage table! I am their lamb. If only my people
would call on me, I could answer them now! Do you sense
my loneliness? I am ready; why must they tarry?"
I was about to respond when the pathway
above which was speeding took a sharp right turn into a narrow
valley. As I swooped between its foothills I gasped at a familiar
voice that echoed from somewhere far ahead:
"Dick, were are you? Follow
my voice. I need you!"
Like a bolt of lightning-speed I was
suddenly being shot forward. Her voice became louder and louder.
I was being sucked forward as if by a huge vacuum and then,
into total blackness and blankness! No voice, no nothing. I
had been sent out of paradise. Why?
I would learn
later. Plans had been changed! Maybelle had been frantically
praying for a miracle: and Jesus had answered!
In God's planning,
my time in paradise had fulfilled what he wanted to accomplish
for me there. He had left Maybelle on Earth to accomplish for
her another purpose!
It would take many months for us to
be shown how the horror of her day of widowhood (with its
blood, sirens, and questionings, and waiting, and shocking hopeless
reports) could possibly be "to the glory of God!" The numbing
sudden loss of her loved one had initially erased from her mind
the details which require immediate answers at such a time of
accident. So she prayed:
me, Jesus! I don't know what to do!"
And then it happened.
Eby's NDE ends here.]
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| 7. Articles about Dr.
Richard Eby Before and After His Death in 2002
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| 8. Dr. Richard Eby's
|FLASH: Dr. Eby
Home with Jesus
"Dear friends, I have just received
an unconfirmed report that Dr. Richard Eby went to be
with the Lord yesterday, December 26, 2002. (Later confirmed.)
This will come as a great disappointment to many because
of the belief that the rapture would occur while Eby
was still alive, based on his own testimony. However,
this is probably why, with amazing timing, God gave
us new insight on what Eby really heard from the Lord
as shared by Rev. Ron Patterson on December 23, just
three days before Eby's death, which I will repeat below."
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9. Webmaster Kevin Williams Answers Questions
About Dr. Eby's NDE
As for the
Dr. Richard Eby,
let me start off by giving a quote from
Jody Long concerning the effect of the experiencer's
religious background on the interpretation of their NDE.
"One of the near-death experience
truths is that each person integrates their near-death
experience into their own pre-existing belief system."
I have also
written quite a bit on this as well at my
Eby's lengthy discussion with Jesus, Jesus talks about his "book"
(e.g., the Bible)
and how everything written his "book"
ANSWER: Yes. I have come across no NDE where
a Being of Light tells them the Bible is false. One particular
NDEr, Rev. Howard Storm was able to ask Jesus and his escorts
the review was finished they asked, 'Do you want to
ask any questions?" and I had a million questions. I
asked, for example, "What about the Bible?"
"They responded, 'What about it?'
"I asked if
it was true, and they said it was.
why it was that when I tried to read it, all I saw were
contradictions, they took me back to my life's review
again – something that I had overlooked. They showed
me, for the few times I had opened the Bible, that I
had read it with the idea of finding contradictions
and problems. I was trying to prove to myself that it
wasn't worth reading.
observed to them that the Bible wasn't clear to me.
It didn't make sense. They told me that it contained
spiritual truth, and that I had to read it spiritually
in order to understand it. It should be read prayerfully.
My friends informed me that it was not like other books.
"They also told me, and I later found out this was
true, that when you read it prayerfully, it talks to
you. It reveals itself to you. And you don't have to
work at it anymore." (Rev.
So, the question
is not whether or not the Bible is true, but which Bible interpretation
(or traditional Christian interpretation) is true.
When Rev. Howard Storm would read the literal verses of the
Bible, he would find contradictions. But a spiritual interpretation
expands the meaning of such verses. From my own experience,
I have found a number of different interpretations that one
can use on a particular Bible passage. For example, this passage
I [Jesus] have this against you: You tolerate that woman
Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess. By her teaching
she misleads my servants into sexual immorality and
the eating of food sacrificed to idols. I have given
her time to repent of her immorality, but she is unwilling.
So I will cast her on a bed of suffering, and I will
make those who commit adultery with her suffer intensely,
unless they repent of her ways." (Revelation
Learn more information about Jezebel in the Bible at
Here are four
different interpretations of this Bible passage:
A literal interpretation
Revelation 2:20-23: The Church in Thyatira had a
prophetess who led people into sexually immorality and
eating food sacrificed to idols for which Jesus threatens
A cultural and historical
Revelation 2:20-23: The Church of Thyatira is actually
a letter to all Christians, past and future, to warn
us against sexual immorality and idolatry.
A spiritual interpretation
Revelation 2:20-23: The Book of Revelation
is a message to be interpreted at the individual, personal
level and also at the all of humanity level. On an individual
each of the seven churches represents a spiritual center
- a "chakra" - within the body.
The Church of Thyatria represents the "heart" spiritual
center. Jesus warns against living a life without love
and seeking only sexual gratification. This "unholy"
condition that wars against the "heart" is represented
by Jezebel, the symbol of fleshly pleasure. The warning
is that unless the heart changes for the better, it
will suffer a "great tribulation." (Edgar
My prophetic interpretation
Revelation 2:20-23: Each "Church" represents
an "age" or dispensation of Christian history. The Church
of Thyatira represents the time period between 606 AD
and 1520 AD.
believes the Thyatira Church age is the age referred
to as the "pagan church" or the corrupt church. History
calls this period of time "The Dark Ages." The Thyatira
Church age is when Christianity began to "prostitute"
with the secular world. A more elaborate description
of this church age can be found on various Christian
Also note that
Rev. Howard Pittman
was told during his NDE that humanity is now living in the "Laodicean
Church age", the last of the seven Churches in Revelation,
the final time period before Jesus returns.
I also want
to point out there is another interpretation of scriptures using
what is called "The
Bible Code" which has hidden
information within the Hebrew text of the Bible.
As we both know, the fundamental tenet of Christianity is acceptance
of Jesus as our Lord and Savior before we will be allowed in
the Kingdom of Heaven. This is most especially telling when
Dr. Eby quoted Jesus saying to him the following:
my Son, to answer your question: paradise is a holding
tank for the souls who have accepted me as their savior
simply by faith in me having laid down my life to redeem
them from the curse of sin."
ANSWER: My interpretation of what Jesus is telling
Eby is that there is an abode (one of many mansions)
where Christians of such simple faith go after death. Because
he uses the phrase "holding tank," I believe he is using the
concept which is found in many NDEs concerning a kind of "transit
center" where souls go before they are sent out to various other
"abodes" or heavens.
There are Christian heavens, Buddhist heavens, Islamic heavens,
etc. etc.. Every soul goes where
they fit in. In other words, there are many "heavens" which
make up the afterlife - along with many "hells."
[Eby quoting Jesus continues:] "In fact, everything that
my children need to know about how God thinks and works and
judges and rewards, either before or after the cross, is already
in my book. That is why I commanded mankind to ‘engrave my words
upon their hearts,' and to pass them along from generation to
generation. I wanted everyone to hear and know just who I AM,
the Messiah, their one hope of salvation, their most high God."
ANSWER: I believe this is true also. The gospel
of salvation is so simple that people feel they have to build
entire systems of theology around it. The central message of
the gospel is this: love. God so loved the world. Jesus did
not preach a new religion, just love. Living a life of love
as Jesus did is how we can become like Jesus. Everything else
is debating how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.
[Eby quoting Jesus continues:] "My gift is eternal life which
has to start on Earth where they need its cleansing power, and
where we need our good news of salvation accepted. Oh, that
my people would start their lives with me there so they could
live abundantly and not perish! Why do they want to wait and
wait until it is too late?"
ANSWER: Yes, this is true. In the Bible, this
is what Jesus said about eternal life:
On one occasion an expert in
the law stood up to test Jesus.
"Teacher," he asked, "What
must I do to inherit eternal life?"
"What is written in the law?"
he replied. "How do you read it?"
He answered, "Love
the Lord your God with all your heart and with
all your soul and with all your strength and with all
your mind, and, love
your neighbor as yourself."
have answered correctly," Jesus replied, "Do this and
you will live." (Luke
is as simple and as profound as that: love your neighbor and
love God with all you can. Do this and you will have eternal
life. You'll never have to die anymore.
Yet, you state:
knew about near-death experiences, I was a fundamentalist
Christian who was absolutely certain that when I die,
I would be carried to the highest heaven to be forever
before the very throne of God. But, after reading several
near-death experiences, such as that of
Dr. George Ritchie,
I realized that merely "believing in Jesus" is not enough
to attain heaven. I learned that one must become as
Christ himself practicing unconditional love for others
to reach this level of bliss. It means we get to heaven
by emulating the love of Jesus rather than by worshipping
him. Reading near-death experiences cracked my rigid
religious mindset and made my religious beliefs to be
completely ridiculous at best." -
In fact, [Kevin's] further
discussions even refute the need to accept Jesus as
their Lord and Savior to achieve salvation which
greatly helps to explain why there are so many
religions in the world.
ANSWER: Yes, it is my belief that
faith alone (Paul's theology) is not correct and that
works (James' theology) is the proper context.
James knew Jesus' teachings far better than Paul ever did. Jesus
constantly taught the importance of works of love. And the idea
that all people need to do is believe in his name to be saved
is against the very teachings of Jesus. When Christians refer
to "believing in Jesus" it can mean a number of different things.
Here are some of them:
Believing in Jesus' name.
To know his name. Jesus' name is literally the "magical
ticket" to heaven.
Believing what the Bible
says about Jesus. Believing Jesus is the Messiah.
Believing Jesus is Lord. This theological system
is known as "faith only" salvation and it originated
with the Apostle Paul.
Living your life as Jesus
did - loving others and God - unconditionally.
Believing in Jesus's name is not enough. Believing things
about Jesus is not enough. "Believing in Jesus" means
actually following the spiritual path laid down by Jesus
and other highly evolved spiritual leaders throughout
history. This is the theological system known
by works" taught by Jesus and the twelve apostles
which is identical to the Eastern concept of "karma."
It is my view
is that only option (3) will get you to that
level where Jesus is. Options (1) and
(2) mean very little.
I noted at the
www.afterlife101.com website a
discussion about this issue with spirit guides on the issue
of religion when the following assumption regarding Jesus was
"Jesus is the 'door' through
which everyone on Earth will return to God. Of all the
knowledge humans have, there is none more essential
than knowing God."
guides of the
www.afterlife101.com website answered this assumption
with the following:
"This is a partial truth. Jesus
is not the door through which all humans will return
to their spirit and to their evolution of God. To return
to God is a choice that each individual being has at
what level they will return and what they will feel
on the other side. Jesus is not the answer to that.
You within yourself are the answer to that. Not all
beings accept Jesus as Christians do but that does not
keep them from their oneness with God."
ANSWER: I have never said "Jesus is the
'door' through which everyone on Earth will return
to God." This is a false assumption. I believe the
evidence shows Jesus is a "way-shower" like many
other advanced spiritual "way-showers" throughout
history including Buddha, However, it may
be possible that this is a reference to the "Being of Light"
who is God manifesting as all personalities including Jesus,
Buddha, everyone. This agrees with what those spirit guides
are saying. God appears to us in the form we are most comfortable
Furthermore, in Dr. Eby's NDE, Jesus mentions "Satan" several
times. In particular, he wrote "Messiah promised to destroy
any disharmonies which Satan uses to lure and deceive innocent
children into the pits of hell!" Followed by "My son, the time
is coming when Satan will be bound in a bottomless pit for a
thousand years awaiting his banishment into eternal punishment
in a lake of fire!" This "lake of fire" that Jesus is referring
to has been the tradition conception of "hell."
devil does not exist; at least not as people on Earth
believe. There is no being who can be everywhere at
once, who has powers to torment everyone at the same
time. God would not permit such a being to exist." (Kevin
To which the
spirit guides of the
website answered with the following:
"We would say that that is a
true statement. What those on Earth consider the devil
is not one energy power as an entity but is the negative
emotional energies that one chooses to experience in
their life and therefore they are creating their own
devil within themselves by choosing to live in fear,
anger, blame, hate and all the negative energies one
experiences. That is truly what the devil is. And as
a person moves closer to their oneness with God they
move from all of those negative limiting experiences
and energies into the vibrational force of God and love."
Yes. As one particular NDEr stated, if such a being
as a Devil existed, he would have to be either
dim-witted or crazy to believe he could defeat
God. It would be the equivalent of someone believing they
could stop the sun from shining. Too many Christians
believe such a being exists and is omnipresently
trying to lead people away from God.
accounts reveal how everyone has within them a divine nature
(spirit) and a human nature (flesh) that frequently
wars against each other. At the level of the spirit, everyone
is connected and there is no separation between people. On the
other hand, our human nature has the tendency to believe we
are separate from everyone else and God. Our human
nature often "battles" against our spiritual nature.
This is what religious people refer to as "Satan" or
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| 10. NDE Insights Describing the
Spiritual Battle Within Human Beings
Our minds are led by the spirit we are entertaining,
the spirit of God or the spirit of the devil -
self. What people
think of as "Satan", is really their own personality
characteristics of self-centeredness, self-interest,
self-gratification, self-righteousness, self-consciousness,
self-glorification, self-condemnation, self-will, SELF.
Jesus knew he had to die on the cross to fulfill his
mission of demonstrating to humanity how self-sacrifice
and self-denial can overcome these human desires of
self-centeredness and self-gratification and how it
leads to our complete restoration with the divine nature
within us. (Edgar
The struggle between our higher and lower selves grows
until finally the destructive elements are completely
Humans are educated at a higher level by spirit beings
who bring us into heaven. We grow and increase, and
grow and increase, and shed the concerns, desires, and
base animal stuff that we have been fighting much of
our life. Earthly appetites melt away. It is no longer
a struggle to fight them. We become who we truly are,
which is part of the divine. (Rev.
I had a descent into what you might call Hell .... I
did not see Satan or evil. My descent into Hell was
a descent into each person's customized human misery,
ignorance, and darkness of not-knowing. It seemed like
a miserable eternity. But each of the millions of souls
around me had a little star of light always available.
But no one seemed to pay attention to it. They were
so consumed with their own grief, trauma and misery.
Satan is a personal devil. (Howard
The sin and Satan we live is that of our own creation.
Question: Do you believe
in the devil? Answer:
"No, but if there is one, he would have to be an
insane angel who was crazy enough to fight with God,
which would be as futile as for us to try to stop the
sunrise. I believe the devil is a mythological character,
invented by humans and used for a scapegoat. Grown people
with immature minds like to blame the devil for their
misdeeds instead of acting like people and taking the
blame themselves. However, there may be earthbound spirits
of low vibrations, whom we may regard as devils because
they annoy us through mental telepathy. These demons
tune in on us through our low vibrations of hate, fear
and greed. They can be tuned out with unselfish love,
or if necessary be chased away by the stronger spirit
of Jesus Christ. There's an old saying, "Birds of a
feather, flock together." The way to be rid of the "devil"
is not to be like him. (Arthur
Question: Is there
a Devil? Answer: "Just
knowing the bad mistakes you made through your carelessness
or your selfishness is a hell. You don't need a devil
prodding you with a fork. Believe me, your own anguished
mind is a prod that is more hurtful than any prodding
with a devil's fork. I met a man over here who said
that he would gladly exchange good old Dante's Inferno
for the mental anguish he was experiencing over guilt
feelings from wrong actions he had taken on Earth in
certain business matters. In Dante's Inferno he
would be able to complain that the devil was doing this
to him, whereas now he had no devil to complain of because
the devil was himself. Whether there is a negative personal
being who can be called the devil I cannot say. I have
not seen anyone personified as the devil. There
certainly is an evil force which builds up from the
negative aspects of life and has a tremendous influence.
Thought forms which are evil certainly play a part,
but I don't think they are the whole answer." (Margaret
I asked if there was a Devil or Satan. He said
to me, "Would God allow that?" He continued, "If I made
you God for just a few seconds, what would you do first?" I
knew my first act would be to eliminate any Devil or
Satan. I asked, "How do I know right from wrong?" He
replied, "Right is helping and being kind. Wrong is
not only hurting someone but not helping when you can."
If we are convinced a devil is out there to trick or
deceive us, and if we have already pictured in our minds
what this devil looks like and what he plans on doing,
we should really not be surprised when our worst fears
are confirmed. The devils we create become real and
solid in the next dimension because we created them.
Book of Revelation
is a highly symbolic book describing the struggle within
every person and humanity at large between the divine
nature of spirit and the human nature of fleshly desires.
The war in heaven between God and the "Devil" symbolizes
the war between our Higher Self and our lower self.
Our Higher Self is a part of the Universal Consciousness
(Holy Spirit) of God. The lower self is a person's selfish
force that creates the illusion of separation between
people and is the source of all wars and atrocities
that occur in the world (our body). Only the purification
of the world (our body) will restore everything. In
essence, the greatest enemy we will ever face is self.
"Babylon" is symbolic of our selfish desires that cause
us to war against ourselves and others. This war between
our Higher and lower self will eventually led to the victory
of our Higher Self. The "Devil" (self-will) is then
cast into the abyss (self-will being suppressed by the
divine will). The result is heaven on Earth (the rule
of the Holy Spirit). This war between the Higher and
lower self works on an individual and a collective human
level. For this reason, the Biblical story from Genesis
to Revelation is actually the story of the fall and
rise of humanity. It is the victory of our divine nature
over our human nature. It is paradise lost and paradise
The only universal common aspect among all categories
in my own NDE research is that no one (0%) reported
seeing a "Devil." I believe this statistic suggests
the concept of the Devil to merely be a myth. If a Devil
really did exist, it would be logical that NDErs would
report see the Devil in the hell realms. But, no NDEr
in my research have reported seeing a Devil. Some Christians
claim the "Being of Light" to be the Devil. However,
because the "Being of Light" exudes overwhelming love,
light and concern, it is very unlikely that a Devil
could do this. (Kevin
NDE accounts agree with the teachings of Jesus that God is unconditional
divine love. This love is merciful, non-judgmental, compassionate,
and unlimited in forgiveness. As for Eby's
references to Satan - like all
other NDEs - he doesn't actually see such a being. All of Eby's
references to "Satan" can be interpreted as being this lower
nature which all human beings possess. Eby draws heavily
from his own religious bias and background to
describe his NDE almost to the point of
embellishment. I would not be surprised if much of his NDE is an embellishment.
One particular Christian NDE researcher, Dr. Maurice Rawlings,
embellished his research to favor traditional Christian teachings.
His explanation for this was essentially that in order to win
souls, the ends justify the means. So, in my opinion, NDE
testimony which uses strong Christian literalism are
one degree or another a possible embellishment.
Regarding the notion of "hell" the following assumption was
is not literal flames. Hell is a temporary spiritual
condition of total separation from love, joy, God,
light, peace, sanity, etc. People put themselves
in this state until they no longer refuse to love others
and themselves." (Kevin
To which the
spirit guides of
"Again that is a partially true
statement. A person's thought process, his ability
to open his heart to love, self-love, self-forgiveness,
and then to the love of others unconditionally, is what
helps an individual accept that life after life on Earth
does not have to be a hell or a continuation of all
the challenges they are experiencing on Earth. But again
it has to do with the conscious or unconscious visualization
the individual has about life after being human. And
generally that comes from how they experienced life
Yes, that is what I mean. I agree. Self-love and self-forgiveness
are divine traits along with self-sacrifice and self-denial.
Hell is a product of self-centeredness, self-interest, self-gratification,
self-righteousness, self-consciousness, self-glorification,
self-condemnation, self-will, and self in general.
Furthermore, the following assumption regarding damnation to
"hell" was made:
does not condemn anyone to hell. People create their own
hell by their own physical desires." (Kevin
To which the
spirit guides of
truth of that statement is not by their own physical
desires and experiences but by their own consciousness
level of their grievous acts against others and themselves
which is what they will take into life after Earth with
them. What you take to heaven are your thoughts and
feelings of your life experiences."
My quote about hell could have been more precise. What I mean
is that people create their own hell by their own physical desires
when such desires go beyond the physical level and into the
spiritual level - such as an addiction or thought pattern. Such
addictions can be carried over into spirit if not conquered
in the physical. See
Ritchie's NDE for more information.
Yet, you yourself state in your "A Biblical defense of the NDE"
section where you respond to the following argument from a
well-known Christian seminary professor:
Being of Light identified as Jesus in NDEs teach that
all people are welcome to heaven, regardless of whether
or not they are a Christian." (Seminary
To which you said:
is not true. Many NDEs describe people having hellish
experiences. Although it is God's will for everyone
to go to heaven (1
Timothy 2:3-4 and
2 Peter 3:9) many people do not have the will. NDEs in
general show faith in Christ alone does not guarantee anyone
a ticket to heaven."
ANSWER: My rebuttal against the professor is
accurate. After death, not everyone goes immediately to heaven
or realizes their heavenly nature. Some people go to hell (which
is actually a realization of their hellish nature within) immediately
after death. However, hell is revealed in near-death accounts
as a temporary state of purification and instruction, not a
place of eternal damnation. NDEs confirm the reality of universal
salvation, the idea that everyone will eventually get to heaven.
However, some souls must be purified from their hellish nature
they acquired on Earth. This is a temporary process. Some
will have to continue to reincarnate until they have
attained "at-one-ment" with their higher (divine) nature as
So, now you're are saying there is a "hell" and some of us will
be condemned to it. Yet, the whole philosophy from what
I picked up from reading the material at these two websites
is that the whole idea is to love ourselves unconditionally
and become spiritually attuned to God and to show unconditional
love and forgiveness to all others the way Jesus tried to teach
us and we will be permitted into heaven. No one goes to hell.
Not even Hitler!
ANSWER: I have never denied the existence of
hell. I do deny the Christian concept of hell. What I am saying
is that there exists a hell, but no one is eternally condemned
there. After death, some people will find themselves having
to undergo a "purification process" much like the
Catholic concept of purgatory.
Such is probably the case with Hitler.
However, no one remains in this condition forever. It is God's desire
to purge the darkness in everyone's soul because God desires
and wills that everyone is saved from their lower natures.
God's love is inescapable. For
this reason, everyone will eventually attain heaven, including
Hitler. However, because of his actions, Hitler may have set
himself back many lifetimes. Nevertheless, God loves
Hitler unconditionally and no one can escape from
You state that if we failed in one lifetime to achieve this Jesus-like
spiritual perfection we spend time in a spirit world until
the time comes to time comes again to be reincarnated back into
physical form to try to do better in the next life. This goes
on indefinitely until we finally become like Jesus. Furthermore,
you don't even have to accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior
to achieve this.
ANSWER: Well, that is not exactly how I would
put it. Here is how I would describe it:
is only a temporary place for our schooling and our
true permanent home is heaven. Life on Earth is
a cycle of improvements (reincarnations) where
we must overcome certain weaknesses which are incompatible
with our spirit (divine nature). Any habit-forming pleasure
that is contrary to our spirit (and there
are many) traps us into the cycle of rebirth over
and over until our desire for them are finally put aside. Between Earth lives, some
souls must undergo a temporary "purification"
process (a kind of heavenly "time out") before they are allowed to
reincarnate. This process is what religious people
refer to as
hell. Most souls, however, dwell in higher realms where
there is rest, homecomings,
learning, etc.. to prepare them for
their next Earth life. We progress at our own rate
to become permanent citizens of the highest heaven
(where we as souls originated.). Soul growth occurs much faster here
on Earth than in the spirit world because of the
challenges and lessons learned which an Earth life
offers. Earth is God's "School of Hard Knocks." If we
act in ways which
take us away from the light of God, then we are perpetuating
our time here. Everyone who comes to Earth must
overcome it and learn the lessons it offers. Here our free
will is called into play in a way that is different
from higher realms.
Life on Earth involves making mistakes (what
some refer to as "sin") which we are allowed to make in
order to learn the hard way. Everything in life is a learning
process. Our goal is to attain
"at-one-ment" with God (as Jesus and Buddha did for
example) so that we are free to experience higher
realms of the spiritual universe. By coming to Earth,
many souls are also trying
to bring heaven to Earth while other souls incarnate
from lower afterlife realms for instruction.
for Jesus' role,
Jesus was a soul who experienced the full cycle of the
Earth experience and attained at-one-ment with God.
He decided to come to Earth to give humanity a pattern,
an example, a "way" for which people can attain the same level of
soul growth to free them from the Earth cycle in order
to move on to higher realms. Jesus taught and demonstrated
how the way to heaven is by living a life of unconditional
love for everyone and God. Jesus is a "master" or
advanced soul who
has devoted himself to the soul progression of human
beings on Earth. He is not the only one either. Also,
according to my research, some
near-death accounts state that Jesus will reincarnate again
to usher in heaven on Earth. I believe Jesus has
already been born again into this world and is
living here today.
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Caught up Into Paradise
|by Dr. Richard Eby
In this book Dr. Eby reveals
the tender care of God's
protective love in three
generations of his family
through miracle after miracle
including his near-death
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