blinkstar.gif (494 bytes) Robert Tamer

OBE in the skyMy name is Robert Tamer, I'm 41 years old, and I live in southern Germany.

Back in 1994 I had surgery on my spine. Nothing fancy, went in, came back out. Nothing out of the ordinary happened. 

In June 2001 my best friend Maik died. I had gone into a deep state of depression and didn't know what to do, so I began to study the paranormal and the afterlife. I didn't just want to find a way to speak with him, but more to know if he was ok. Then, from the thousand of photos that I have, it was not until he died that "things" began to appear on them. The more I learned, the more I began to understand. I believe this was my real "awakening" into the spiritual world.

But then something happened that wasn't so easy for me to explain.

In February 2002 I had to have another operation on my spine. It should have been a two hour operation, but turned out to be five and a half hours. 

During the operation I found myself on a small portion of the graveyard with Maiks' grave to my left, approximately 4 or 5 meters. The total area must have been about 15-20 meters wide and 10-15 deep. Maik and I were sitting on a bench, him to my right. It was very bright, like the best day of summer, just warm and bright. Now I have had pain for the last 8 years, and I remember thinking while I was sitting there that for the first time there was no pain. Then it dawned on me that when I looked out in any direction that it was dark. Too dark. I then stood up and walked to the edge in front of me, looked out, down, and up. It was totally black. When I looked back at Maik it was very bright, like daytime. I remember walking to the left past his grave and then to the edge. Again I looked out, down, and up. Totally black. I can only describe it as a being on a piece of paper hanging in the middle of a dark room. I then walked back to the bench and sat down with him again. It was so peaceful. We just sat there on the bench. I know we talked for a long time, I just don't remember from what. It seemed as if we were there for ages. Then I woke up.

I later found out that I had bled profusely on the table.

I don't remember how I came to this place with Maik, and I don't remember going back. I was just there, and then I was gone.

Over 1 year later, in May 2003, I landed on your site. I have read nearly everything on here, and suddenly I found myself reading about my own experience. This was the first time I had read anything about near-death. I'm not asking that this be published, I'm asking that this be explained if possible. After reading through the conclusions about "void", everything that I saw passes to what was written there. I also had two more operations on my spine since then in the beginning of July 2003. Nothing out of the ordinary happened. Did I just dream this during the operation, or was this real? What does the term "Spirit within a Spirit" mean?


Kevin Williams' replyThanks for your correspondence and sharing your NDE with me. Yes, what you described is the "void". Your void experience sounds very wonderful as most people's are (or at least the ones that get reported). In fact, your description of the void is a very good one. People often meet family and friends in the void because it is a good place to experience your own feelings and awareness without being influenced too much by the ecstasy of being fully in the light.


I have an opinion concerning what you mean by "spirit within a spirit": While alive on Earth, our conscious mind plays the #1 ruling awareness. Our subconscious mind (soul) plays a lesser #2 awareness role and our superconscious mind (spirit) plays an even lesser #3 awareness.


At death, our conscious mind (our personality, much of which comes from our brain) dies, and our subconscious mind (soul) plays the role of our ruling #1 awareness. At this time, the superconscious mind (spirit) plays the role of the next lesser awareness #2 role (or the role the subconscious mind had while on Earth).


In other words, after death, you leave your physical body which was your "vehicle" while on Earth. Now you are in a new "vehicle" which is your soul body (astral body). Your soul body is the vehicle for your spirit body. At this point you are like a "spirit within a spirit." Here on Earth, we have a trinity of bodies: physical, soul, and spirit.


When we reach the higher levels of consciousness and into the Wholeness of the One, we actually absorb or discard our soul body and are pure spirit, our Higher Self, who we REALLY are.  We are then in the fullness of the light of God and actually "merge" with the light or "become one", once again, with the light.


Some people have actually experienced this during an NDE and they describe it as "becoming God" or "becoming everything". Often words cannot describe this experience. As a pure spirit in the light of God, we do not lose our individuality either. We become an individual that is also "the Whole". Mathematicians call this concept of being a part of the Whole, yet also being the Whole, a "fractal". Perhaps we are like a spirit within a spirit.

That's my 2 cents worth. Hope this helps.


"I saw also that there was an ocean of darkness and death, but an infinite ocean of light and love, which flowed over the ocean of darkness." - George Fox

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