do not know exactly how old I was when I had this experience,
but everything happened in our new home, so I must have
been 11 years old, at least.
day I left my flat on the first floor when, all of a sudden,
I heard a voice behind me. I quickly turned around but there
was nobody. I cannot recall the exact words, but the voice
said, in effect, that the quality of my world that I knew
of was nothing compared to the one that he would be able
to show me. “Nonsense,” I said to myself and started to
run down the stairs to the basement in a boisterous and
cheerful way. There were only a few steps left when I jumped
up high knocking my head against the ceiling.
impact of this blow sent me down on my knees and I quickly
passed out. I fell into a deep blackness. I remember going
through a kind of black hose. At the end of it, I felt being
drawn back by a mysterious force, but I resisted because
I did not want to go back through that black hose again.
I went forward and suddenly I found myself in a gray space.
not know where I was, and, looking around, I saw in some
distance someone slowly coming towards me. Actually, I did
not see this figure at all because there was nothing to
look at. However, I sensed a gray figure being there. I
definitely knew that there was someone. I said, "I have
lost my way. Could you please show me the right way back?"
next thing I knew was that I was lying on the basement floor.
I heard this extremely uncomfortable ringing noise, which
gradually became more and more intense. Then the noise stopped,
and, all of a sudden, I realized that a white, gauze-like
material was very slowly oozing out of my head.
on the shape of a very long stocking and floated at a slight
angle right above me. I became very embarrassed, because
I did not want to be seen by anyone with this material coming
out of me. Meanwhile, more of this gauze-like material was
collecting itself under the ceiling and I could not do anything
to stop it. I did not feel any pain whatsoever in this process.
it dawned on me that I was out of my body. It must have
happened the moment this oozing stopped. I saw a body lying
on the floor, which could only belong to me. I was shivering
and I quickly wanted to return to my body and its warmth
when I heard someone say:
"Stop! Before going back,
see what it is like outside!"
I believe this is the voice of another soul in the
However, I did not
pay any attention to the voice. Although I could not see
any physical body but my own, this voice was quite near.
Then I heard it again, this time it was begging me very
"Please, do not
go back, I beseech you. Why do you not want
to discover your new faculties first? You
may still go back if you do not like them.”
I hesitated. After all,
this voice was right. Why shouldn't I give it a
try? On that the voice said quickly:
"Test your mind!
If you do you will discover that you can
think in a way you have never experienced
The voice was right again.
I could think very lucidly indeed, and I was able
to understand very quickly with a directness that
did not leave a trace of doubt. Then I heard the
"If you are willing
to stay outside of your body, you will make
a wonderful journey and you will see many
interesting things. However, you must decide
quickly! So hurry up!"
Eventually I began to consider
the whole situation. It was really up to me whether
I wanted to return to my body and live the life
on Earth with all its limitations and with all its
joy or to stay outside in this condition of clear
thinking. The voice again urged me to hurry up and
to tell him whether I had made up my mind.
gave in. I decided to stay outside and I instantly realized
that my body had to die, meaning total destruction by decay.
I thought to myself, "How sad for my mother!"
me, I did not feel any regrets, because my body was now
only a wrapper to me, a burden of which I freed myself the
moment I had decided to stay outside.
Presently I realized
that I was able to move freely about in a way I had never
experienced before. I was floating right through the walls
of our house (I saw my mother in front of the kitchen stove
cooking a meal) and up into the sky. In the distance, I
saw a great shining ball, which was the sun. I felt irresistibly
attracted to it by its brightness and I wanted to go right
into it. No sooner had I thought this when I hit something
that catapulted me far out into blackness. I tried once
more, but it all happened again. I quickly learned that
there had to be an invisible barrier that I could only approach
but not overcome.
I had another go
and this time I stopped right in front of this barrier in
order to watch the sun, which was now shining in a reddish
glow. Its size was relatively small because I had to look
at it from a distance, which was determined by this invisible
barrier. Nevertheless, the reddish glow of the sun did not
satisfy me at all.
Suddenly the voice said,
"There are more lights!"
As I was looking around, I saw
in the distance a multitude of other lights, which shone
much brighter than the Earth's sun. I wanted to be with
those lights! Although they were far, far away, I could
reach them in an instant. However, each individual light
had its own effective barrier that knocked me off into the
blackness again every time I tried to approach it.
in contact with these barriers was very unpleasant, because
every time I touched them, my whole being was violently
All of a sudden, the voice
said, "Look for a single, bright light and approach
I believe this is either the voice of a helpful light being
or a helpful soul in the void.]
an individual light whose brightness was much greater than
all the other lights around it and I approached it very
carefully. I saw a huge ball burning incredibly bright.
The voice told me that it was one of the many stars that
I was able to see from the Earth.
I was watching this
ball for quite a long time until I could not look at it
any longer. Therefore, I withdrew into the blackness again.
I began to consider my situation. I could not stay in that
blackness forever. There must be a way out. I looked around
and I saw another cluster of stars that was strangely twisted.
I wanted to go there
but I heard the voice say, "They are all
alike. Go up!"
I did not know where
up was, but tried all the same - with success, because I
saw very far away, over the blackness, a shimmering line.
I wanted to go there in spite of that incredibly long distance,
but I only wanted to go to the edge of this line, because
I did not know whether it had a barrier or not.
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I covered the distance
instantly. This time there was no barrier
that would repel me. The light came from
another world. (While our world is black
with lights in it - this other world is
bright). However, I could not enter this
world. I was moving around in every direction
trying to figure out a passageway to this
world. I soon realized that there was only
one possibility: Hurling myself down this
black abyss that lay right in front of me.
I hesitated. I did not have the courage
But, suddenly, I heard the
voice again, "There is no other way! You will have
to jump! Jump! Jump!"
Then I jumped. I do not know
what happened next, but I do remember very vividly that
I suddenly found myself moving at a tremendous speed through
a tunnel of blackness. I had entered this tunnel headfirst.
My whole being was in a kind of a cylinder or pipe and I
shot through this tunnel like a capsule in the tubes of
a pneumatic post.
moving faster and faster, until I was ejected far into this
new universe. The blackness was instantly substituted by
a sort of dim brightness (if I may say so). I tumbled over
myself several times very vehemently until I felt being
slowed down by this new world. I remember thinking, "Why
are they treating me so rough?"
this new world closing in on while simultaneously the old
world was retreating until I was completely taken up by
this new world.
While being ejected I
heard the voice shout at me, "This is your
world! You do not belong to us! You have to remain
in this world! Don't you ever try to come back."
I turned around and I saw a piece
of the black world, which I must have trailed behind me
while being ejected, withdraw to the opening where it was
finally sucked up. The moment the old world was shut out,
I was immediately taken up by the new one, so much so, that
I was thoroughly convinced that I could only further exist
in this new world. I had no choice anyway. The black world
was gone. I was now an inseparable part of this new world.
I thought to myself, "This scoundrel of a voice! He has
betrayed me by forcing me into this world. There is no way
back! This is final! Hopefully, I will be able to breathe
and not suffocate to death."
I tried to breathe, but I soon found out that no breathing
was necessary. I simply could exist. As long as I was in
the black world, I had never thought about breathing.
said earlier, everything around me was dimly bright. Although
it was bright, I could not see clearly. The impact of the
finality of the condition I was in was overwhelming. Although
I felt being part of this new world I did not know anything
about it. I felt utterly alone, betrayed, very tiny and
insignificant. No other soul far and wide. I started wailing
about my situation. I did not know what to do. I felt very
All right, I was
able to move freely wherever I wanted to go. However, where
should I go? No one was there! No one? Nevertheless, there
were voices very far away! In fact, I heard two voices.
I could hear them say,
in complete disbelief, something like, "Look,
look, there is a little soul! Look there is a young
soul! What is he doing here? How did he come here?"
Voices in this world were actually
no voices at all. Something was thought and I immediately
understood what they were talking about. What I am reporting
now are impressions and not the meaning of actual words.
These impressions were, however, so clear that I had no
complaining that I would not know anyone in this bright
world and that I had been forced to come there. The voices
drew nearer. However, I could not see anybody. I simply
sensed their presence, which was very fine with me. I now
knew that there were beings in that world with whom I was
able to communicate. Beings, however, that were simultaneously
strangers, but friendly ones.
beings urged me to go back where I had come from. I thought
this very ridiculous being now a part of this new world.
Moreover, even if I really wanted to go back, which was
impossible, how should I proceed? In addition, even if I
did succeed in finding my way back, I would not have the
slightest idea where my native world, Earth, lay. Then I
sensed that they wanted to force me out of this world. I
became very upset and I thought, "No one can force me to
leave this world. I have a right to stay here, because I
am a part of it."
two beings must have understood what I was thinking, because
I could not sense their voices any longer. Then, one of
the beings guided me (I do not know how) to a place that
I had not seen before. The other one must have gone away
calling for assistance in attempting to find the right approach
of how a situation like that should be handled.
place turned out to be a meadow with many flowers in it.
It was a wonderful meadow, but I knew that it was only an
image of a meadow, somehow conjured up and suspended in
this new world. The being asked me to play on the meadow,
but I could not. I simply did not know how.
of a sudden, I was aware of a tiny bright light far away
in the "sky" but rapidly coming nearer and nearer. It was
shaped like a ball and it was indescribably bright. I tried
to shade my eyes, but I did not need to. Despite its incredible
brightness and brilliance, it did not dazzle me a bit!
this light stopped at a distance right above me. It was
a sun about the same size as the sun of our world, but it
was indescribably brighter. I kept staring at this sun wondering
how a light could possess such brilliance. The brightness
of the lights in the black world was brilliant, too, but
of a different nature.
I realized that it was scrutinizing me very closely. On
that, it opened up, and a beam came pouring down on me.
And I heard it shouting
at me, "I can destroy you if you do not tell the
truth about your being here!"
I answered, "But I do not know
anything else but the truth!"
something happened that I would never, never forget. Love,
pure, utter love came pouring down on me along with incredible
warmth. My whole soul or being was immersed in this love.
He lifted me up and gave me a kiss on my mouth. This Being
of Light loved me deeply, infinitely deeply, and more and
more intensively. I was happy! I could have stayed in this
beam of love forever. If my story had been a lie, the Being
of Light would have annihilated me. I had a clear conscience
anyway, so there was no reason to fear anything.
the loving became weaker and I felt that something was wrong
with me - something that made it very difficult for the
light to continue with his love. He was trying not to tell
Finally, however, he was
not able to keep it up any longer and he quickly
said, "You have a smelly breath. You need a bath."
I believe this is a reference to the purification process
many souls need to undergo after death. The phrase "smelly
breath" is probably a reference to "smelly thoughts" or
negative thoughts which are incompatible with existence
in the higher afterlife realms. In these realms, communication
is telepathic; so if you enter into the afterlife with "stinking
thinking," such thoughts become aware to everyone in that
realm as a form of "thought bacteria." Various NDE testimonies
describe how negative thought processes must be purified
before entering these higher realms. See
Arthur Yensen's NDE testimony
for a more detailed understanding.]
received the impression that I would have to take a bath
similar to that I was used to on Earth, but by dipping the
whole body. It was made plain to me that this process was
going to be unpleasant, but I could stop it when it became
too painful for me to bear.
I could not comprehend the reason, I was willing to do what
the Being of Light wanted me to do. I was lifted up and
put into a red light. I closed my eyes. I could not feel
anything. I did not know for how long I had been in this
state. After some time, however, I realized that I was being
tossed about rather rigorously. It was like being in a washing
machine. I cried, "I think that is enough!"
I was lowered down and the love and the warmth were switched
off, but I still remained in this beam (or
the sun disappeared and I saw a moon. I was in a different
world. Everything was black but the moon, which was right
in front of me. It was much clearer and more refulgent than
the moon in our world. There was not a trace of blackness
in it. The moon was surrounded by a wreath of little, bright
stars. I kept staring at this shiny moon when suddenly I
felt a strange sensation entering through my left eye and
spreading into the deepest recesses of my brain.
wondering about the fact that I could distinctly see the
moon with my left eye that had always been weaker than my
right one and I suddenly realized that right in front of
me were all the answers to any questions we might have on
Earth. I got very excited about this and I tried to locate
the place about which I wanted to tell our scientists on
Earth that they should come and see this extraordinary place.
to pinpoint this place by looking at the left side of the
moon and counting the little bright stars. However, in doing
so I realized that they were not stars but in turn little
I was looking at the left side of the moon and the more
I was looking the more little moons were coming up in a
straight line, one little moon after the other. There was
no hope of locating this place. Then I began to feel cold
and I was shivering. I remembered the sun of our world,
its warmth that sometimes may have been too hot but, overall,
it was life-giving warmth. I desperately wanted to return
to the bright, living sun. Only then did I realize that
I was looking at the moon with my left eye while my right
eye was closed. I wanted to open my right eye to see the
sun again but I was not able to.
to leave the moon, which I was no longer interested in.
I wanted to go back to the bright, living sun. I tried very
hard but in vain, I even felt an extremely unpleasant pain
in my head. All of a sudden, however, the moon with its
black surroundings disappeared and I saw this incredible
bright sun again.
the sun started to move backwards changing its colors to
a deep dark red. It kept moving back into the sky until
it was a very tiny red light - like a point. Then it began
to move very quickly. At one time I saw the bright sun on
the left side and then the red sun on the right side, dancing,
as it were, from left to right and from right to left.
that the sun wanted to communicate with me. I thought to
myself that up here the suns cannot speak but just move
about and that this was their way of talking. Then it stood
still and I saw the bright sun in front of the tiny red
sun. Nevertheless, I could not make out what this was all
about. I regarded the whole spectacle more as a funny and
entertaining act than anything else. However, it was not
funny at all. I suddenly felt that I should be transferred
back into the world with the shiny moon and I remembered
the unpleasant pain and the cold that I had encountered
I realized that the bright sun in front of me was the shiny
moon and that the red sun had the moon safely under control
making in fact one sun. This was the message that the sun
had wanted to get across.
the Being of Light wanted to talk to me on a man-to-man
basis. He placed me on top of a high mountain where I had
to sit on a large piece of rock.
I asked him why he had wanted
to destroy me, and he told me that there existed also evil
but very powerful and cunning beings who were his enemies
with whom he had been constantly fighting. He also told
me that I had to warn my world against them, and I automatically
nodded in agreement. He said that his enemies had wanted
to play a trick on him by using me as a kind of trap, but
he had to defend this world and the black one. His world,
however, would be much easier for him to defend, because
the evil beings had no power in it and he had no power in
the black world.
having been positioned in such a way that I was able to
overlook a huge stretch of clouds that were marvelously
illuminated from below. Suddenly a flash of lightning whose
intense light was much greater than that of the bright world,
forced me to look up. Then a big bang followed, but I was
totally unperturbed. On the horizon, I saw smoke bulging
out of the clouds and gradually taking on the shape of a
mushroom. It grew larger and larger and brighter and brighter.
I was in complete awe. Suddenly everything was gone.
I heard the light
call, "Look here!"
I turned around, and I heard
screams and I saw fire and smoke almost surrounding
I did not comprehend what
this was all about, when suddenly the light cried:
"I will do everything
in my power to prevent this from happening!"
Then everything was over.
Again, the bright light wanted to talk about his
enemies. However, I was still very impressed with
what had just happened. So I thought to myself,
"Oh no, not again!"
However, the light
made me aware of the fact that this war had been going on
for a very long time, and the evil beings had become more
and more powerful, and if this continued he would not see
any means of preventing them from taking over everything.
He said that if the enemy had really succeeded in coming
into his world, the war would have been lost. He would have
been powerful enough, no doubt, to fight them off, but the
war would have been lost in the long run. He was really
afraid of loosing this war. Then it was intimated to me
that he needed help. I wanted to help him, and I replied,
"Yes, but how?"
He answered that
the only way I could help him was by going back and telling
my world what had happened to me. I was completely shocked
to hear him say so, because I did not want to go back. I
was so depressed that I almost started to cry.
All of a sudden
he asked, "Would you like to know what will
become of you later on in your life?"
I looked up and answered
cheerfully, "Yes, I would love to."
The light said,
"You will become a teacher."
To a certain extent I was
disappointed and repeated, "A teacher?"
The light replied,
"Imagine a teacher in your world and show
me what it is like being one."
I imagined, quite vividly,
a teacher who was standing in front of his pupils
The light said,
"No, not that kind of teacher."
I was then thinking of a
university professor lecturing to his students.
The light said,
"Not that kind of teacher. You are going
to teach the university teachers!"
I was surprised and almost
could not believe it. Besides, I considered this
quite difficult. I imagined a map of my world, and
I saw myself in future life going from place to
place, from university to university teaching the
university teachers of my world.
But the light said,
"No, not like that. They will come to you!"
I replied, "To my house?"
The light said,
"Yes, imagine such a situation."
I imagined our house on
Earth, our living room, and I saw myself sitting
on a chair opposite a stern-looking, respectable
professor, trying to teach him. However, I failed.
I was too embarrassed and too shy. I said, "I do
not think I am clever enough to do this. Moreover,
I have a speech impediment."
The light replied,
"You will become a new type of teacher and
I am going to explain it to you in a moment."
He then paused, and I looked
up and saw myself lying on a hospital bed that was
being pushed down a very long corridor by a member
of the medical staff. I asked, slightly alarmed,
"Am I being ill?"
The light replied,
"No! Just a little bit confused. You will
be taken to hospital where you will get
a shot and fall into a very deep sleep."
I was not worried any more.
And the light said,
"But let me explain this new type of teacher.
You are going to teach while being in a
sort of sleep. However, it will not be the
kind of sleep that you know of. While being
asleep, you will be able to hear and talk,
and they will come to you and ask you questions."
I was deeply impressed,
but also worried. So I asked, "Will I feel pain
in this process?"
The light replied,
"No, it will not hurt you."
I gradually became accustomed
to the idea of becoming a teacher. So I asked, "Will
they also learn their lessons?"
He made a suggestive face,
meaning that he was not sure about that. I asked
him another question, "Will I also teach them when
I am awake?"
The light replied,
"No, you will certainly speak to them when
you are awake. But what you say while being
asleep will be of much more importance."
And he showed me a room
in which I saw myself sitting on a chair talking
to someone. I actually did not see myself neither
did I see the person to whom I was speaking. Nevertheless,
I definitely knew that it was I, because I was now
in that room looking about. I saw a low table, books
on the walls, two windows, and drapes that were
moving in front of a window by a slight draught
Suddenly the room
disappeared and the light said, "Before
doing this, you will have to write down
everything that has happened to you. Every
detail of it. You will have to make a scientific
I said, "Of course."
The light said,
"But I am afraid you will have forgotten
I shook my head in disbelief.
But he said, "You
cannot even tell me now how you came here."
I could not belief him and
tried to remember what had happened on Earth. However,
to my great surprise, I was not able to do so.
The light said,
"Do not worry. A book will help you. In
fact, there will be two books, but the first
one will be more important. Besides, you
will have many books."
Suddenly the light
became quite enthusiastic and said that I was to be the
first teacher of this new type, and there would be a lot
more to come. I was disappointed to hear him say so. Nevertheless,
the light wanted to show what it meant being the first.
"What do you think? How many people
are there in your world?”
I said, "40 millions may
The light replied,
"No, many more. You must not only think
of those who are alive. Take into account
all the human beings that are dead and you
will have a huge number of people. Let us
go back in time, as far back as possible,
and tell me how far back we should go."
I said, "Middle Ages?"
The light replied,
"No, farther back."
I said, "The birth
The light said,
"No, farther back."
I was thinking hard, "Adam
The light replied,
"No, not that. Go farther back in time and
think of what you have learned in your history
I was thinking for some
time. Eventually I blurted out, "Stone Age?"
He was disappointed,
and he said, "You should have known better,
but I think Stone Age will do."
He then told me that in
that age there were not many people living on Earth.
However, they were free to walk wherever they wanted
to go, and that there were no borders that would
keep them from roaming about. I said, "How beautiful."
was imagining a map of Europe, which I had seen in my Atlas,
with all its borders. I did not have much time to think
about all this, because, all of a sudden, I saw human beings
back on Earth. I was looking down on a group of people,
men and women, who were dressed in furs, sitting around
a campfire. I could see a woman with her baby on her back,
and a man who was standing in front of the group obviously
making a speech. Another man stood a little apart.
All of a sudden,
I heard a loud cry of disappointment, and the guttural voice
of the man in front of the group of people. I did not understand
what he was saying.
The scene disappeared
and the light said, "I am going to
translate for you, but you must concentrate
I certainly wanted to do
so, because I was eager to hear what this man was
talking about. Therefore, I started to concentrate.
The light said,
"You call this concentration? You
have to concentrate much harder!"
I was amazed to hear him
say so, because I considered my first attempt quite
satisfactory. Nevertheless, he wanted me to do better.
The light said,
"Let's have another go!"
I closed my eyes and began
concentrating extremely hard. However, the light
was not in the least satisfied.
He said, "I think
it is useless."
However, suddenly the tone
of his voice became very gentle and he came close
to me and said tenderly:
"The reason for
my asking you to concentrate so hard is
that, later on, you should be able to tell
everything as accurately as possible. So
you need to concentrate like you have never
done before on what this man is going to
And he added in a different
voice that betrayed his disappointment:
"This is a final
attempt. If you fail this time, it will
be no use trying any longer!"
I was determined
to do my best. I closed my eyes again and tried as hard
as I could to listen to what I was supposed to hear. All
of a sudden, I was able to understand what the man was saying:
Brief Experience as a Cave Man
have proof. You have just heard
for yourselves. What we have been
suspecting is true. He who took
on the difficult task of making
such a dangerous journey has just
returned and confirmed our suspicion.
They want to resist us. However,
we will not put up with that. I
have told you again and again. Now
the time has come to fight them.
We must not wait until they have
become stronger. They are still
weak now. It is true. Nevertheless,
think of the future! We will have
to attack them now."
He was addressing
the group of people in a very impressive
manner. I was completely impressed and I
could understand very well why he was forced
to attack his enemies.
But suddenly I heard
this other man who was standing apart say:
"I am primarily
a hunter and fight the animals.
I am not going to fight weaklings
who start running away the very
moment they catch sight of us. Every
hunter would hurt his pride and
honor if he did such a thing. We
hunters fight the animals, which
are by far more dangerous. Many
brave hunters have hurt themselves
in their fights. Nevertheless, we
are prepared and willing to take
the risk because we are hunters.
I will never fight those weaklings."
As for me, I could
not get along with what he was saying. After
all, one had to fight one's enemies. I could
not understand that it should be more honorable
to fight animals than people. However, I
could not go on contemplating such things,
because my eyes were forced to the ground
that gradually began to move. At first slowly,
but then faster and faster until I was no
longer able to distinguish any details.
The movement suddenly
came to a halt. I saw grassland in front
of me and in the distance there was the
edge of a forest with very high trees. Suddenly,
I was placed in the woods. Although I could
not see anything, I knew that I was in this
forest, that is, right in the middle of
I could hear the
voices of some people and I heard someone
run away forever. How many times
did we have to run away? Many, many
times! Such beasts! They come and
destroy our village! And every time
we run away. But not this time!
This time we are going to stay!
It cannot go on like that forever."
I could feel fear
and anxiety. They would have liked to run
away as they had done so many times before.
However, this time they had made up their
minds and intended to stick to their firm
resolve. However, they were all full of
Some voices said:.
meat! Imagine that! Meat! In addition,
they build huge fires in the prairie.
They dance around the fires and
bathe in blood. However, what remains
the worst: They eat meat. The very
thought of it! In the end, they
are going to eat our flesh, too."
A voice, a woman's
voice, who was sitting in her hut, kept
saying again and again:
"I am afraid.
I am terribly afraid. Oh, how scared
I am! I am scared, so scared."
I was able to feel
distinctly her anxiety. Her fear grew stronger
She kept saying:
"I am scared,
I am scared."
Her fear began to
take hold of me. At first I thought, “Why
is she so afraid? She must be hysterical.
How on Earth can you be so afraid?!"
was being immersed, deeper and deeper, into
her feelings of sheer fear. I could not
stand it any longer! I thought to myself,
"I wish she stopped worrying now."
It was extremely
Suddenly everything was
over, and the light said to me:
"If they had done
nothing, nothing would have happened. It
is true; they would have come all the same.
However, nothing would have happened. This,
however, will again lead to further dead
He was stressing the words
- dead persons - and - again. I felt great apprehension
on the part of the light concerning the large number
of dead people, so I asked, "Again?" because I was
of the opinion that I had watched the first human
beings on Earth.
The light answered,
however, "Hundreds of thousands."
I was amazed at this and
I could feel how the light was suffering from the
great number of dead people. I am not quite sure
about what happened next, but all of a sudden, I
heard a thunderous, angry voice accusing mankind,
including myself, of destroying his garden on Earth.
The Being of
Light's Message to Humanity
He shouted, "I made
you human beings a wonderful garden and
you destroy everything. Human beings poison
the water and the air. They destroy everything.
At first, the effect of their work of destruction
was limited. However, it got worse and worse.
They destroy everything that they can lay
their hands on. Although Man is constantly
looking for other places, he has only this
one place (Earth). You could see for yourself.
And if they continue to destroy everything
they will blow up the whole Earth in the
I was completely perplexed.
After some time, the light said:
"Ask me that, 'You
do not know how to inform your world.'"
I answered, "But you have
just told me how to do it!"
However, he insisted
by saying, "Now you are again a little and
ignorant child that does not know how to
So I asked him that, being
a little and ignorant child, I would not know how
to inform my world.
To my great surprise,
the light answered in an angry and brusque
voice, "You will know how to do it when
the time is right."
However, I did not want
to leave him forever. So I asked him if I could
come back after having told my world and stay with
He said, "No, you
have to go back and live."
Although I still did not
know my way back, this time I had no doubts whatsoever.
If the Being of Light wanted me to go back and live,
I simply had to. It did not matter any longer how
it could be done. This light had absolute power.
Nevertheless, I could still not understand why.
I repeatedly pleaded, "Why? Why can I not come back?
Why? Why? Why? Why am I not allowed staying on in
your very love and warmth?"
The light answered that
no one could stay permanently with him. However,
I still was not satisfied. If it was not possible
to stay with him, I surely could come back and stay
in this bright world in which those two beings were
But the light repeated,
"No, you have to go back and live!"
I replied, "But why have
these two beings been allowed to stay?"
The light answered that
even these two beings could not stay on permanently.
They were only in this world in order to learn.
In addition, he began to emphasize the importance
of love and learning. He wanted me to be his apprentice.
He the master, I the apprentice. However, I still
could not see what love and learning should have
to do with my wish to stay on in this bright world.
I had, it was true, to admit
that I did not love the light, but I certainly was
willing to learn everything that he wanted me to
learn. On that, the light started, to my great dismay,
to position himself further back in the sky, and
I could not feel his presence any longer, because
the beam had been switched off. I suddenly felt
cold and very miserable.
However, one of the other beings
asked me to watch a certain place very carefully. Indeed,
they urgently asked me not to move but to fix my eyes on
to that place. I did what I had been told to and presently
I saw this panoramic review. Very vividly and distinctly.
I was stupefied! The images of this film moved very rapidly,
showing me my past life on Earth. I could instantly understand
everything that was being shown to me.
remember any of the details, because this was only an experiment
to test my ability whether I was able to really understand
what I was watching.
beings asked me several times if I could clearly comprehend
what was being shown. I answered impatiently, "Of course,
slightly annoyed about their questions.
with the beings, I always used my mouth as I had done on
Earth. This was not the case when I was talking with the
Being of Light.
the Being of Light started to show me my past life again,
but this time the stress lay on the quality of my soul during
my existence on Earth. When I was watching my past life
the first time, I was just very happy to be able to watch
my former world and myself. I regarded this actually more
as an entertainment than anything else. I did not feel miserable
the second time, former events of my life on Earth were
shown with the emphasis on my reaction to certain situations
in terms of love or nastiness or even hatred. This was made
quite clear to me, and I knew what to look during the second
review. Everything started from the beginning. I could not
see how I came into existence on Earth, because I only had
to mind my behavior with regard to love or hatred.
I was very satisfied that nothing was happening to which
I could have reacted with either love or hatred. Then, the
film speeded up, but there still was not anything for which
I could have been made responsible. I was stupid enough
to say triumphantly: "See, there is nothing!"
I could see a scene in which my twin sister and I were quarrelling
(I could not make out the reason for the argument), but
I instantly knew how ugly I had behaved. I said to the light,
"But you must understand! This is bad, all right, but this
is the way human beings behave on Earth! You cannot really
blame me for that!"
great light did not blame me for anything that I had done
on Earth. Then I was shown some more nasty scenes on Earth
in which I had behaved badly. However, I still had excuses.
Then, I think the great light became slightly impatient
at my stupidity, no doubt. Suddenly, the film was accelerated
to such an extent that I was unable to distinguish any images
at all. Then it stopped abruptly, and I was confronted with
a situation in which I behaved extremely badly.
was tremendously enhanced, so that every bad aspect of my
character stood out clearly in front of me. It was horrifying!
I could hardly believe this character of mine! I was finally
convinced! Such a soul could never stay on in this bright
world! I had no right, no claim whatsoever! I was completely
shaken and dejected. I wanted to go back. Yes, there was
really no other way possible.
Then I saw the light
disappear into the "Sky", and I heard a laughter and the
"And he really thought he
could stay on!"
the Being of Light was gone. One of the other beings brought
me back to Earth. I do not know how. I only heard, while
being tucked back into my body, a snapping sound like the
sound that can be heard when you put the lid on top of a
mess tin securing it with the catch. When I opened my eyes,
I remember starting to cry, "I do not want to die, I do
not want to die, and I do not want to die!"
I picked myself up and in approaching the staircase, I wondered
if there would ever be a way back, whereupon I heard a voice
shout at me:
And another voice
"You must kill your mother!"
note: These voices are obviously from a mischievous
soul in the void.]
I climbed up the stairs down which I had been jumping so
happily. I could only feel a minor swelling on the top of
my head, which was not particularly painful.
Wagner's NDE account ends here.]
I am German, male, unmarried,
born 1942. Immediately after my experience, I was very troubled
and I couldn't understand what had happened to me. I simply
did not know what to do next. I couldn't talk to anybody
about it. I wanted to obey the Being of Light by writing
a scientific report, but I was unable to do so. I simply
did not know how to proceed. Then suddenly a voice told
me that I had to learn another language. Period.
I felt very miserable. This went on for about 2 weeks, when,
one night, the Being of Light returned and said that I had
to forget everything. Later in my life, however, I would
encounter great misery.
I turned myself on the other side and fell asleep. When
I woke up the following morning, I couldn't recall a single
word!! For the following 25 years, I had lived my life the
way I wanted it to live. I became an alcoholic and resigned
from church. I believed neither in God nor in the other
world. However, I did develop a drive for learning English.
big change, though, came in 1980, shortly before Christmas
Eve. On TV, there was a report on NDEs, and they were talking
about a light. Suddenly it struck me that I, too, had once
seen such a light. Thank God, I could not recall everything
at once. Surely, it would have killed me! I personally call
this my Saul/Paul experience, because it had a similar effect
on me. Saul had been blind for 3 days and became an apostle
later on and I became a fighter against the devil in and
positive effect of all this was, however, that I instantly
got rid of my alcohol problem. The negative effects were
three suicide attempts in 1981. (The third one almost being
successful). As an after-effect of alcoholism, I developed
a rupture of my stomach in 1986 whereby I missed the grave
only by an inch. They took out my entire stomach plus other
organs. By the way, no cancer. The Being of Light was right,
I couldn't write down my experience in German, and even
today there is no German translation, because I have not
yet had the inner O.K. from the Being of Light who is our
Lord Jesus Christ. Besides, it is more difficult for me
to translate my story into German, because the recollection
of the experience was entirely in English, and I have trouble
finding the correct German terms (I have never been good
at translating anyway.)
The following is an interview
by someone who is interested in near-death experiences.
Question: You were about 11 years
at the time. Age and worldview have an influence on the
NDE experienced by individuals. Do you think the Being of
Light treated you as a child?
Wagner: No, I don't. He specifically
wanted to talk to me on a man-to-man basis. At the end of
my report he said and I quote. After some time, the light
said, "Ask me that you do not know how to inform your world."
I answered, "But you have just told me how to do it!" However,
he insisted by saying, "Now you are again a little and ignorant
child that does not know how to do it!" So I asked him that,
being a little and ignorant child, I would not know how
to inform my world.
Question: Such a judgmental light,
all the emphasis on fighting, being told to kill your mother.
How do you feel about this?
Wagner: Strangely enough, there was
not only a voice at the end of the experience, but right
at the beginning as well. There are not only good guys in
the spiritual world. The Bible calls them demons, devil,
evil beings, serpent, dragon etc. and on Earth we are constantly
surrounded by them – sometimes people get obsessed by them.
I have been fighting those evil spirits since 1980 and this
will continue until I die that is until I leave my body
forever. For instance, the evil voices told me more than
once that hey were going to kill me. They hate Jesus Christ
and every person who chooses Him. I can testify to this.
Right after my NDE/OBE, however, I had no idea whatsoever
as to whom that voice was or where it came from.
Question: How do I feel about this?
Wagner: Well, in spite of all that
has happened, I would not like to miss one single event
of my live. Since Christmas 1980, I have been able to establish
a personal relationship with the Being of Light by way of
internal fights, visions and auditions and I am now in a
position to go public with my experience.
Question: Did you like your mother?
Wagner: Yes, I did. I did not kill
her. She died peacefully at the age of 92 in 1994.
Question: There are both hellish
and heavenly aspects to it - both the good and the bad.
How do you explain the loving parts and the not-so-loving
parts, the way you were treated, what you were told? I am
also curious to know about afterward.
Wagner: Since 1980 I have undergone
many temptations and have thus learned more than during
my entire stay in the other world. You could also say that
through temptations I have drawn the Lord God Jesus Christ
into existence on Earth. Please don't get me wrong here.
The loving parts come exclusively from our Lord Jesus Christ,
who is God. The term God includes infinity, eternity, omnipotence,
omnipresence, omniscience etc. However, no one knows what
those words actually mean. That is why the most ancient
Jews did not name God. But this is not so with the name
Jesus Christ. He is God in form, a visible God, a real person
in whom the fullness of the Godhead dwells (according to
Paul). Jesus Christ is plainly man and all other human beings
are made in His image. (He being the original, we are the
copies, so to speak). His father is Divine Love itself and
He is Divine Wisdom itself and His will is the Holy Ghost.
These three make one God in Jesus Christ. In 1996, He made
me aware of what it really means when you say you have prayed
to God, namely nothing. A very unpleasant experience indeed,
actually one of the worst experiences I have ever had in
this respect. (Horrible, terrifying, harrowing). The not-so-loving
parts stem from malicious, evil spirits. I do not know whether
you have ever experienced their malice and their slanderous
behavior. Their hatred is indescribable. They were once
physical human beings. However, they did and still do love
evil and without love no one can exist. Our Lord God Jesus
Christ has the power to destroy them, no doubt, but He will
not do so, because of their free will and their love. Love
is what constitutes man (either way).
Being of Light (our Lord Jesus Christ) is my master and
I am His apprentice, as He told me so in my NDE/OBE. Actually,
it is not me who fights these evil beings; it is He who
does so. He told me so in His “lecture” on the importance
of love and learning. I said in my report, and I quote,
"In addition, he began to emphasize the importance of love
and learning." In this sentence alone is hidden more than
words can tell and so it is with the entire account. In
January 1987, for example, He taught me, "I am nothing.
I can do nothing. I have nothing. I am dead. I am what I
am through the Lord Jesus Christ. I can do what I can do
through the Lord Jesus Christ. I have what I have through
the Lord Jesus Christ. I am alive."
last year He came to me in person (although I did not see
him) and set my whole heart and chest on fire. However,
this is another story. And so on and so on.
Question: What was it like for you
after the accident?
Wagner: Please refer to the above.
Question: You were only 11 years
old. Was your body different in any way? Were your abilities
and perceptions different in any way? How did you feel inside?
How was school for you afterwards? Did you feel any different
in your family?
Wagner: I had forgotten my NDE and
I led a normal life. No special feelings, occurrences etc.
Question: With your twin sister?
Wagner: She knows nothing about it.
No one in my family knows about my experience; let alone
Question: You must have been caught
up in the war years and what happened to Germany and with
Wagner: No, I have not. I was born
in 1942, the war ended in 1945. I had a happy childhood.
We didn't have much to eat, though, but we never starved.
My hometown was not subject to enemy attacks and remained
Question: Did your experience at
the age of 11 make any difference in what you saw, how you
felt, about what was going on around you?
Wagner: No, it did not. I simply
didn't understand what had happened to me and I kept thinking
Question: Do you suppose that your
experience presaged (prepared you for) the war?
Wagner: No, I do not. I was a baby
at that time.
Question: Do you suppose the Being
of Light was so mean and spoke so much of fighting because
that is what your world was filled with at that time?
Wagner: No, I do not. Besides, our
world is still filled with fighting. (The Being of Light
is never mean, ever.)
Question: Did your experience prepare
you for the war and the after-effects of the war, how it
would affect you as a youngster, and what you would have
to go through?
Wagner: No, it did not. I forgot
Question: I do believe you had a
near-death experience, not just an out-of-body experience.
Wagner: So do I.
Question: I have found that with
the majority of child experiencers of near-death states,
it takes about 20 to 30 years, even 40 years, before they
are able to understand what happened to them and integrate
Wagner: That is most certainly true.
Question: Many turn to alcohol within
about 5 to 8 years of their experience.
Wagner: You are right on, indeed.
I turned to alcohol when I was about 20 years old. By the
way, I had three OBEs altogether; the first one during birth,
the second one when I was about four, the third one at the
age of 11 or 12. In 1980/81, while recollecting my experience,
I recalled those two other experiences, as well, which made
things worse at the time.
Question: I suspect there is more
to your story.
Wagner: You are certainly right here.