Psychic George Anderson's
is a discussion with
by the radio and television talk show host
Joel Martin as written in the book entitled,
We Don't Die,
by Joel Martin and
George Anderson is perhaps America's greatest
and most famous psychic who has amazing
paranormal abilities with the spirits of
the deceased. His abilities are so great,
he was once hired by the NYPD Homicide Department
to solve unsolved murders. His abilities
have been profiled on many television and
radio shows as well. In these pages, he
answers some questions about the afterlife
thereby shedding some light on the near-death
experience. I highly recommend all
the books written by Joel Martin and Patricia
Romanowski about George Anderson,
We are not Forgotten,
Love Beyond Life,
Our Children Forever.
George Anderson's latest book is entitled,
Walking in the
Garden of Souls.
The following is a question and answer session
between Joel Martin and George Anderson:
Where is it that we go when we die? Does the other side
tell you where we're going?
Well, according to what they say, go
through the different levels of consciousness. We're working
our way up. It's like, to go up to the twelfth grade, you've
got to pass the first through the eleventh. When we pass
on, we do go into the tunnel, we can go through these little
darker levels, which can represent a form of hell or purgatory,
because these are the two negative levels, or the darker ones.
But if we've been a good person, we generally just seem to pass
through them very quickly and then we go on through the third
and fourth levels of consciousness, where average people such
as ourselves go - not everybody can be a Mother Teresa, who
would probably go higher up. When we go through these levels
we meet our relatives and friends greeting us at the end of
the tunnel, much as in the movie Resurrection, where they're
waiting and they lead us into the light. And there's like a
form of spiritual rejuvenation, like a reunion, like a party,
'Hey, it's great to see you again.' We recognize each
other by personality. As we all have individual, unique fingerprints,
we each have a very singular personality. There's no physical
body, but there's a spiritual body that may take on a physical
form, but to tell you the truth, I think that's only during
a reading, so I can see and describe what the person being read
Geographically speaking, where is it? Is it the stereotypical
heaven, somewhere up above the clouds?
It seems that the next dimension is
here, it runs parallel to this one. Making the transition seems
to be more like a heavenly experience than a trip to the Hollywood-style
heaven. I think that the reason we have the sense of being uplifted
or believe that heaven is up is that we feel a sense of being
uplifted in the next stage of life. When we become one in the
next dimension, we feel that we understand everything, we feel
spiritually and emotionally uplifted. That's probably where
the conception of going up came from.
Can the spirits come right out and tell you what the
other side is like, or do you have to put pieces together?
It depends on their
degree of awareness and consciousness. Somebody may be having
a different, subjective experience over there, so they would
have a different interpretation of it. It's just as it is here
with us. For example, I'll look at the sky today and describe
the color as sky blue. Yet if there's a different shade tinted
in it, or the sun moves a little, or you look up even five seconds
later, you could say it's more turquoise, or powder blue. The
same thing could be happening on the other side.
I've never really heard
any complaints about the other side, unless the person has gone
over there and into the darker levels, for committing some serious
crime, hurting people, or committing suicide. Generally, thought,
most spirits I've heard from seem to be very happy, very content,
very much at peace, very aware and knowing of themselves, even
if they were very negative and very unhappy here. They seem
to be aware of a lot of knowledge and to understand it all there
more than we do here.
Learning and growing
seem to be what it's all about there. And they are able
to understand themselves, if they want to. I've been told by
the other side that you have to make a prime decision over there. You
have to face up to yourself and do something about it, otherwise
you'll just flounder and you won't progress spiritually. That
seems to be a very important issue, to recognize yourself, your
positive qualities and your negative ones, and try to do something
about it. I've also been told that they have tasks, jobs to
do over there. For example, David Licata told us that he works
with children and animals who have crossed over. It's like having
a job here, you just take on a spiritual job in the next stage
of life, where you earn your soul progression by helping others
crossing over, by helping people here find their way spiritually,
helping people there to find their way spiritually, to be involved
in various sorts of things.
Does it matter what level you're on to be able to communicate?
You might be inclined
not to come to me if you're on one of the darker levels. I would
not be attracting anything that would be negative, so if you're
on the darker or the lower levels, unless it's for a specific
spiritual purpose, I would not discern you. A Hitler, to take
one extreme, would put himself in such a state of darkness that
he would literally not be able to communicate.
Will a suicide, for example, remain on that dark plain?
Not perpetually. Through their own
free will, they can progress. This is why it's so important
that people, no matter what your religious belief or persuasion,
even if you're an atheist, remember to pray for those who have
passed on. Because that embraces them in love and encourages
them to progress. The problem that the
faces in the next dimension is that, when you arrive in the
next level, it's not the pretty sight that the average passing
can be. Their problem is that they cannot forgive themselves. When
someone comes through in a reading and is starting to make me
feel as if they've taken their own life.
You feel like you're
in the presence of a ghost. There's a chilling feeling. And
it's very important that those coming through acknowledge what
they've done. It's like getting up and saying, 'I'm an alcoholic.'
Coming forward and saying, 'I have taken my own life.'
A friend of mine who had recently taken his life came through
and did not know how to go into the light. I kept telling
him to go forward to the light, but he was afraid of judgment. He
couldn't forgive himself. Also, he was having a problem with
the fact that after he had taken his own life, his spirit obviously
lingered around the scene of the act. He could not overcome
the memory of his father's discovering him, and that was haunting
him emotionally to a tremendous degree in the next dimension. What
he and many of us don't understand is that there is judgment
there, but it is not done by God on a throne. Judgment
rests basically with yourself. And we all know that the greatest
enemy we can face is ourselves.
It can take eons of
time as we understand it before they go into the light. It depends
on the person. You're in control. You hold the reins. Those
who've come through those darker levels have said that they've
had to face themselves and realize that if they don't shape
up, in other words, learn more about themselves, they're not
Why are they able to face themselves on the other side
if they weren't able to do so here? What changes?
One of the things that
the higher entities in the next dimension say is that we can
very easily cheat others, but we can never cheat ourselves or
Supposing I went to
one level and a relative of mine has gone to another level,
how do we communicate?
Well, again, part of
it seems to be a matter of progression. For example, if your
mother's on the fifth and your father's on the fourth, your
mother can come down to your father's plane, but your father
cannot go up to her plane until it's earned. So a lot of souls
are inclined to dawdle on the fourth or fifth plane until someone
they love very much joins them and becomes equal with them on
that level so that they can work spiritually together.
Once over there, do we main the relationships we had
It seems that you might
be inclined to be close to a soul over there that you were close
to here because you're on the same vibration, or wavelength.
For example, most of us have a friend who we feel is closer
to us, more like family than someone in our own family. So do
they, but they also seem to learn to love one another completely
and equally, even though there may be a time when they're more
attracted to a single individual.
Now, some spirits may choose to remain on the other
side indefinitely, while others remain. When a spirit
does come back, does it always come back to the same
family it was with before, the same parents, the same
We all seem to stay
together with the same people that we felt close with - birds
of a feather flock together. We may have different parents,
our brother or sister could be our parent next time. But we
do seem to stay with the same other souls that we feel a certain
affinity with, or a good vibration with. This may explain why
we feel closer with our sister than our brother, or why you
feel we've always been together with the same people from the
beginning, but maybe we meet different people along the line,
who would highlight, enhance, or play an important role in our
lives at that specific point.
Some come back and some don't? What determines that?
Well, several things.
They say it's best not to try to come back right away, they
say it's best to hang out over there for a while, to rest, reflect,
gain some knowledge and experience, so that you're more prepared
for your next lifetime, and you'll be better able to fulfill
what you want to accomplish. But they do say that it's up to
you. A lot of the souls seem to go there and come back right
away. Say you've been killed in a war and you feel cheated in
your life. You want to come back out of hostility and anxiety.
It's better to throw off the negativity and come back in a more
in a positive frame of mind.
On the other side, certain
souls have said that they're going to wait out their time
there. They have decided not to come back, even though it could
take eons of time as we understand it to work out soul growth
over there. On the other side you're not subjected to temptation,
whereas here we've dealing with a positive and negative vibration
of discord, which can be difficult, as many of us will attest.
But a lot of souls I've spoken to have said 'no way,' they don't
want to be tested to go into the flesh again, they just want
to stay there and just work it out as long as it takes.
From: "We Don't Die: George Anderson's
Conversations with the Other Side," by Joel Martin and Patricia
Copyright 1987, G. P. Putnam &