Dr. Richard Eby's NDE and the Second Coming
Richard E. Eby, D.O., F.A.C.O.O.G., D.Ed., Ph.D. (June 26,
1912 - December 26, 2002) was a nationally recognized
osteopathic physician, gynecologist, professor and surgeon
with a very successful practice. In 1972, Dr. Eby accidently
fell from his three-story apartment landing head-first resulting
in an NDE. While experiencing the wonders of paradise, Dr.
Eby met Jesus Christ in all his glory and had a long conversation
with him. Jesus told Dr. Eby he must now enter a ministry
of healing others. During his conversation with Jesus, Dr.
Eby was told he would be alive when the
Second Coming of Christ occurs. But Dr. Eby died in
2002 and it is appears the Second Coming has not occurred.
With Eby's prophecy an apparent failure, skeptics and fundamentalists
Christians alike concluded Dr. Eby to be a false prophet;
and therefore, put his entire NDE into question. This article
presents arguments why Eby's prophecy is not a failure and
includes a detailed account of his amazing NDE testimony.
was a 1937 graduate and professor at the College of Osteopathic
Physicians and Surgeons of California (now
Irvine School of Medicine).
1939, Eby served as an executive assistant of the American
Osteopathic Association (AOA).
In 1943, Eby co-founded the former Park Avenue Hospital
in Pomona, California and, in 1948, he delivered his 1,000th
baby. In 1950, he became a member of the American College
of Osteopathic Obstetricians and Gynecologists (ACOOG)
In 1961, Eby became the charter president and trustee of
the Osteopathic Physicians and Surgeons of California (OPSC).
From 1963-1966, he also served as president of the
City College of Osteopathy and Surgery. In the early
1970s, Eby played a key role in the amalgamation of the
former California Osteopathic Association (COA)
with the California Medical Association (CMA).
In 1977, he co-founded the College of Osteopathic Medicine
of the Pacific (COMP)
now a part of
University of Health Sciences in Pomona, which was the
culmination of his dreams for his profession on the West
Coast. He was trustee emeritus of that University until
his death. Eby became the recipient of numerous degrees
and awards throughout his active life including, in 1999,
the Lifetime Achievement Award from the Osteopathic Physicians
and Surgeons of California (OPSC)
- the OPSC's highest honor. According to
Philip Pumerantz, Ph.D., "Dick
has done so much for the osteopathic profession, more than
can ever be documented. He always downplays the tremendous
influence he has had, but his impact is profound and will
affect the profession for decades to come."
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An Overview of Dr. Richard Eby's NDE and ADC with Jesus
Dr. Eby was leaning against a railing at a Chicago apartment
building when the support gave way, plunging him three stories,
landing headfirst. As his mortally injured body was loaded
into an ambulance, Eby had a near-death experience of “the
most exquisite place” entirely without shadows. Fascinated
with his ethereal, white-robed body, he was able to give
the most detailed description of the spirit body I have
ever read - including the observation of having no genitals
- an observation a professional gynecologist would be concerned
about. His description of heaven as an luminescent realm
with indescribable music, beauty and exotic fragrances is
also one of the most detailed descriptions of heaven I have
come across. While experiencing the grandeur of paradise,
Christ in all his glory and had one of the longest conversations
with him I am aware of. On this web page, you can read the
transcript of their conversation and his NDE extracted from
Caught Up Into Paradise. Eby's NDE ended after hearing
his wife calling out for him to return. He opened his eyes
to excruciating pain and lying in a hospital bed. From a
glowing cloud floating above him, Jesus told Eby he must
now enter a ministry of healing others.
Fully recovered, Dr. Eby toured
Israel in 1977 and had the opportunity to visit
Lazarus’s tomb. While in the depths of the illuminated
tomb with a group of other people, the lights inside mysteriously
failed. During the chaos that followed, Jesus appeared to
Eby again, stating that, whereas Eby had seen heaven, he
would now see hell. Jesus gave him the following commission:
"You must be able to tell
them. They can choose between heaven or hell, but
tell them that I died to close hell and open heaven
just for them."
Dr. Eby was suddenly transported to hell and, for the next
two minutes, he endured the horrors of hell with its cold,
rot and isolation. As a result of this startling visitation
he traveled the world with his wife Maybelle, proclaiming
God’s grace and healing power. In 1978, Eby closed his medical
practice in order to follow his calling into a full-time
after-death communication (ADC) with Jesus in Lazarus’s
tomb is recounted in Eby's follow up book,
Jesus Told Me to Tell Them I Am Coming. Further miracles
are recounted in this book which also details Eby’s national
exposure from his appearances on the
Trinity Broadcasting Network, and the attention generated
by the miracles - both physical and spiritual - which accompanied
his encounters with the sick.
NDE is also unique in one more important point. During his
conversation with Jesus, Eby was told he would be alive
Second Coming of Christ occurs. But on December, 26,
2002, Eby died from a protracted illness of which he tried
to stay alive as long as he could. and it is appears neither
the Rapture nor the Second Coming has occurred. With Eby's
prophecy an apparent failure, skeptics and fundamentalists
Christians alike concluded Eby to be a
false prophet; and therefore, put his entire NDE into
question. But I, the webmaster of this site, do not agree
with this assessment as you will find on this web page.
It is quite possible
Jesus has already returned through
and is alive today. There is strong Biblical and extra-Biblical
Jesus teaching reincarnation as the real interpretation
bodily rebirth known as the "Resurrection
of the Dead."
Jesus often preached in parables to hide their higher spiritual
meaning from the uninitiated.
There is also evidence of the
several levels of interpretation. With this in mind,
we should evaluate Dr. Eby's testimony with an open mind
and understand the possibility that God works in mysterious
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Why Dr. Eby's Testimony About the Second Coming of Christ
May Be True
accept subjective NDE testimonies such as Dr. Eby's at face
value, we can conclude from this that the second coming
of Jesus has already occurred. Otherwise, Dr. Eby's testimony
would be a false testimony shows Jesus speaking a falsehood.
However, I have a strong reasons to believe Eby's testimony
was correct and Jesus has already returned - but not by
appearing in the sky as described in the highly symbolic
Book of Revelation
and gospels suggest - but by means of reincarnation. It
seems obvious to me that Jesus would enter into this world
the same way he did the last time, through human birth.
This reaction to this idea among certain Christians is one
of hostility. Because it suggests the reality of reincarnation
rather than resurrection. It shouldn't be thought strange
that Christ would return this way, after all, reincarnation
was a widely held belief in Jesus' day, even among Christians
and Jesus himself. I have no doubt that Jesus told Eby that
he would return before his passing and I have no doubt that
it happened just as Jesus said it would. Some Christians
will just have to accept that Jesus is here already just
as he told Eby. It shouldn't be difficult for a Christian
to believe "reincarnation" to be the correct interpretation
of "resurrection." There is strong Biblical proof
the early Christians and Jesus
There also exists a
history of reincarnation beliefs
among the early Christians. The
TRUE meaning of "resurrection",
as believed by many early Christians, is not the same as
the widely-held meaning as it exists today.
For these reasons, there should
be no reason at all to believe Dr. Eby's testimony about
Jesus is false.
NDE is unusual in another aspect in that Eby uses much of
his own religious bias to describe his experience.
Jody Long, an researcher with
points out the following fact: "One of the near-death
experience truths is that each person integrates their near-death
experience into their own pre-existing belief system."
This important truth must be kept in the back of one's mind
when reading these different accounts. This is especially
true because there is evidence that Dr. Eby embellished
his account over the years. However, it would be difficult
to believe that he would embellish the testimony of Jesus
that he would return before Eby died.
following is his testimony concerning his encounter with
Jesus from his book
Caught Up To Paradise.
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Dr. Eby's NDE and His Long Conversation With Jesus
Suddenly in a new body in a new place with new life, I was
ecstatically joyful: no pain, no tears, no sorrow, no memory.
Nothing but incomprehensible peace and infilling love. All
was perfection. I stood awestruck in a new weightless body,
translucent and floating. Total love enveloped and perfused
me! What peace!
VOICE: unmistakably sovereign, majestic, divine! None other
can ever compare. It seemed to originate within my head,
speaking from me, yet to me. With the authority of God,
it thundered across a great valley in which I had just landed:
The voice of my Creator was speaking!
It explained how I had gotten to heaven in timeless speed;
and above all It established an intimacy between us which
is called divine love. I was his child, Dick! Never had
I been more excited. Truly I was in heaven's paradise, in
Jesus, with his mind in me. We were as one!
each reader to share with me the following descriptions
of how Jesus spoke with me in paradise, in hell, on Earth,
and through his book. He specifically commanded me to tell
such things, saying:
"These are the last days
before I return for my body of believers. I am coming
for them soon!"
He explained that
he would be giving some of his children (when "available")
many documenting evidences to validate his prophecies.
"I need eyewitnesses of
my glory and truth now. You are but one. Go, tell
them, tell them, tell them! There is but little
while until I come for my body of believers."
was bathed in shadowless light, with a baptism of love.
Then it hit me! I WAS AT HOME! MY REAL HOME! I BELONGED
HERE where the presence of Jesus enfolded me.
momentarily speechless with the ecstasy of it all! Then
I realized that Jesus' voice had declared me "dead." Yet
I was totally alive. He really had meant that only the former
body and its imperfect mind were dead. A glance down the
gorgeous length of my valley ended my silence: I heard my
I could complete my query, that same voice in a tone of
gentle thunder echoed within my head:
"Didn't you read my book?"
He was speaking
to me (in fact, in me) with a speed greater than lightning,
and in a language of sweet purity unlike anything that an
earthly tongue could utter. I gasped again. I had HIS MIND,
impossible as it seemed! Every word clearly meant exactly
what was being said. We seemed to have a joint mind: I would
ask, and he would answer. The
speed of this communication in such a MIND is hard to describe
in human terms. Perchance I can now liken it to a printed
page on which the questions being typed have the answers
typed upon them, line upon line, at the same time, instantly.
began his answer:
"If you had read my book
you would have known all the answers. Before I ever
told my disciples to preach my good news, I promised
never to leave nor forsake them. As I sat outside
the temple I disclosed my impending death and my
return to glory as being necessary for their ministry.
Then I would transfer my power to them by sending
my Holy Spirit into them from Pentecost onward.
He would take my place in and among them on Earth
as another Comforter! I gave them a certain promise:
"I am going to prepare
a place for you. I will come again and receive you
unto myself, that where I am there may ye be also.
"I had already explained
to my followers that my Father had made them one
in me, as I was one in the Father. That makes us
inseparable, as ONE."
Jesus paused as though the next
thought on his mind pained him greatly.
"My son," he resumed,
"as it is written in my book, on the next day I
was arrested, tried, and crucified for claiming
identity with Jehovah. At my right hung a dying
thief who stopped ridiculing me when he noted the
sign over my head: 'KING OF THE JEWS' He believed
it when he looked into my eyes, and called over
to me: 'Master, remember thou me when you come into
"My book tells you that
I immediately promised him: 'This day shalt thou
be with me in paradise!'
"The thief heard me before
the centurions broke his legs so he would die immediately!
My beloved disciple, John, also heard me as he stood
near my bleeding feet. I then asked him to take
my mother home with him because he could explain
what I had said to her and the disciples.
"I gave up my spirit to
my Father as soon as I announced to the crowd, 'It
is finished!' Then I was free to prepare paradise
for that repentant thief in heaven. This is my home
here in the third heaven with my saints. You are
in paradise this day!"
Jesus had answered
my first question! I had instantly sensed that I was in
heaven upon arrival there, but now I knew which part this
was! I had so much more to ask about this new home.
To be talking with
the Creator of the universe, mind to mind, in this paradise,
was unspeakably exciting. Questions flooded through my new
"But Jesus," I blurted out,
"Tell me your definition of paradise. It is obvious
that I am in heaven with you because everything
is so perfect. Tell me more!"
As he replied,
his regal voice seemed to bubble over with excitement and
joy and love. I sensed his pleasure at having a child of
his come home this day:
"My child, didn't you
read my book? I was so careful to explain that I
would prepare for each of you in the heavenly places,
an abode with me. I even arranged for my disciples
to watch me ascend into the heavens, enfolded in
my Shekinah glory cloud. I assigned two angels to
meet them there outside of Bethany to reassure them
that I would return in like manner. And I will do
"Later I allowed my chosen
lad, Stephen, to see me seated at the right hand
of my Father in heaven, just to prove to his executioners
that I was there, alive! Saul had ordered the stoning.
He was holding Stephen's clothes. It shocked him
to hear Stephen shout with ecstasy at seeing me.
You see, I had plans for Saul that would require
me to blind him with my light and later be stoned
to death at Lystra so I could catch him up to this
third heaven and show him the unspeakable glories
of heaven. He would be instantly persuaded from
then on that absolutely nothing could ever separate
him from our love. After he saw paradise, I told
him to write about it, and I changed his name to
talked, I became increasingly startled. The speed of his
"heaven-language" was incredible yet totally clear within
my head. At the same instant he was obviously replacing
the needed memories which death of my original brain tissue
had erased. Later, as we walked and talked that day I discovered
that he also placed upon my new mind the very questions
which I should ask! Only by asking him the proper question
could he give the needed answer!
he returned me to life on Earth I checked his book to find
confirmation of this truth: sure enough, there it is: Jesus'
earthly brother, James, had written to us: "Ye ask and receive
not because ye ask amiss." Also, St. Paul nailed down the
fact by writing: "We know not what we should pray for as
we ought ... but the Spirit itself makes intercession for
us." What a lesson for us on Earth! For us the Spirit prays,
and for us Jesus looks upon the heart to find our true need!
"Now, my Son, to answer
your question: Paradise is a holding tank for the
souls who have accepted me as their savior simply
by faith in my having laid down my life to redeem
them from the curse of sin. I prepared a new place
for each of them, as I had promised. It is one of
my gifts of mercy and grace, that their joy may
be full! Here they become one with me, completing
the talents which I gave each one so that each can
function as a distinct member in my body.
"Paradise is also my heavenly
school for perfecting the saints. You must be taught
how to become priests and kings in my kingdom so
as to teach others to worship My Father in spirit
and in truth. I am your teacher renewing your mind
to comprehend the greatness of our unsearchable
riches of grace and mercy and love for all."
from his exciting explanation to let me gasp.
query burst from my mind to his:
"Do you mean, Jesus, that
each of your children in paradise has a separate
place just for his particular enjoyment?"
"Yes, my son! Didn't you
read in my book that I would go to prepare a PLACE
- not a commune, nor a kibbutz; not a tenement nor
a tract house? It would be a place fit for providing
the abundant joys and fulfilled dreams and talents
of each child, as a new creature, My joint heir!
Each person is unlike any other, except that I am
in each one, perfecting, teaching, sanctifying.
Each of their abodes reflects the perfection of
the purposes and promises for which I prepare my
people and places!
"I know my sheep, just
as they know my voice. I made them. Heaven is so
large that I have unlimited space for each one's
paradise, a place of his own. This is just a tiny
portion of heaven. I have limitless plans. I think
of paradise as my sheepfold; I am its gate!
"This is your paradise.
It is what you could not fashion for yourself, so
I did it for you. That was my promise. It is your
temporary abode for now!"
I was stunned with excitement.
This huge valley of celestial beauty was mine? The perfection
of its forests, flowers, meadows and mountains was awesome.
so, the presence of Jesus in and about me was more important
right now. I must ask another question that sudden formed.
Surely this great valley (among
whose meadows of flowers I found myself standing) looked
to be permanent. Yet Jesus had stated that it was a temporary
abode, a holding tank! Four-pedaled flowers with their golden
throats extended up into my legs, apparently as oblivious
of my presence, as I was insensitive to theirs. Nothing
seemed at all temporary.
"Jesus, what is temporary
about this place, my paradise? It seems timeless
"Didn't you read my book,
son? My Father's plans are even greater for you
than this. I explained that he is preparing a body
of new creatures, which I have called members. This
is the place where the souls of you who die before
that BODY is completed are being assembled. Each
member has an assignment to perform once I join
him to me, the Head. Each day more members are being
added as my earthly children surrender themselves
into my arms. One of these days my body of true
believers will be completed to my Father's satisfaction."
He paused as though the joy of
that thought had overwhelmed him for the moment.
"My Father assures me that
the time is yet a little while, but very little.
Soon he will call those already in paradise to surround
me as we descend from this third heaven to the first
heaven around the Earth. The souls of all my saints
will be instantly clothed in their new resurrection
bodies, as will the living saints on Earth who rise
to us in the glory cloud! At the sounding trumpet
they all receive new bodies and rise to meet us
in the air. We return as my body to my throne room
with the Father. Now do you understand why I called
this place a temporary abiding place? Do you grasp
what it will mean to be one with me and the Father
in your incorruptible bodies? My book states that
I assumed mankind's sin so you 'might be made the
righteousness of God' in me!"
I can clearly recall how Jesus'
voice paused at this moment. He was savoring an anticipation
too intense and private to be revealed. Was he pre-living
that moment at which he would enjoy the victory which his
Father would give him as the eternal reward for his own
long-suffering? His own sting of death would be swallowed
up, and he would be the omniscient Head of a completed and
compliant body for whom he had shed his blood on a terrible
cross. He would reign as KING of the Jews after these days
of grace. Then his thoughts returned to me.
"My son, when that time
has come, my Father will call to me. The applause
of the heavenly hosts will be deafening; they too
have been awaiting that day, ever since they announced
my birth to the shepherds at Bethlehem so long ago.
Scoffers will gaze with fear and wonder as my angelic
hosts watch me fulfill my promise to my earthly
body of believers at my soon return to Earth.
"My book records the many
signs which will precede my coming for my family.
I tried to explain those events to my disciples,
very carefully. I promised them that I was leaving
my Holy Spirit as a comforter to instruct them as
they studied my word, and to tell them of the things
to come. I want my children to be informed about
our plans in advance. I want them to be filled with
my joy. After all, they are mine: I created them
and bought them back from satanic slavery. I told
them that I would come for them so that we could
be together forever. My Father wants them all to
discourse ceased. I surveyed my paradise and this new body
I glanced at my
wrist to note the time, since there was no sun in the sky.
My wrist had no watch on it, nor was there any telltale
evidence of a watchband. In fact, the whole arm and body
was of a beautiful, glowing, semi-transparent material without
mar or scar. I gasped to realize that this was ME! (I would
ask Jesus more about it later.) A strange sense of timelessness
gripped me. It was simply awesome!
"Jesus, what happened to
time, it seems to have vanished!"
His disbelief at
such a silly question in paradise was evident in his voice
as he replied with loving restraint:
"My child, the book tells
you clearly that all things seen or unseen, felt
or unfelt, are my creations. Without me nothing
was made that was made. Originally there was nothing
at all but the everlasting God in whom I am the
Creator. That included what is known as 'time' in
the universe of the firmament. Remember? I named
myself the 'Alpha and Omega,' the beginning and
completion of all things. Remember? I took my beloved
John to heaven one day to foresee the fulfillments
of my promises. He was so overwhelmed at seeing
me that I had to introduce myself again as the 'Amen,
the Faithful, True Witness, and the beginning Creator
of the creations of God! I had taken him ahead in
'earthly time' to the 'day of the Lord', the time
of my victory over the works of Satan. We exist
here in that timelessness, the eternity of God,
the kind of life that does not perish! It is our
gift of love, 'eternal life!'"
of his explanation left me shaken. All that I could think
was, "Of course!" Jesus had quietly restated that only the
most high God could create anything. Neither an idol nor
a man could do so! For every reason conceivable, no one
less than God could make a universe without raw materials
or divine intelligence. History and common sense prove that
especially 'eternity' itself!
love and praise exploded within me as I sensed the immensity
of the person who was talking to me so gently.
"You are wonderful, Jesus.
You do not think or act or promise in terms of 'time',
do you? Therefore your thoughts are unlimited. You
can see all things as having happened already, even
before they occur. That is how you can plan all
events and creations to work together for the good
of Your BODY and the glory of you, our Head! Even
this paradise you made for me was prepared before
I would arrive, wasn't it? You planned and planted
all these fantastic trees, flowers, and grasses
in my valley in advance of my coming here today,
As if wreathed in smiles at my
comprehension, he replied:
"Verily, my son! That
is why I am the Truth, since no one but God could
be. I am showing you now that what I said in my
book about death and paradise, and even about my
promise of you and me being together as one in eternity,
is the truth. I and my word are one also. Again
I emphasize that I have written only truth in my
book. I have begged my people 'to ask and seek and
knock' as evidence of their earnest search for my
everlasting love. So few ever do. Even my disciples
failed to ask. I had to chide them by stating, 'Ye
have not because ye ask not!'
"I even made it very simple
for them by promising if any two would agree upon
a request, I would answer. I already had prepared
the right answer in advance; by faith they were
to accept it. That is how my Father, our Spirit
and I have arranged for all things to work together
for those who love us. I told them to abide in me
so that whatsoever they would seek would be our
will to give."
Then Jesus paused as though disappointed
"Oh that my children on
Earth would believe me! Oh that they would trust
my word, and would talk with me! I gave them the
model of how to pray; it is childlike because it
is the expression of confidence. 'Our Father,!'
He is the hallowed God, the only God who can help;
the only God who loves them and listens. I told
them to request that 'his kingdom come and his will
be done on Earth.'"
That means now. Their mouths speak
it but their hearts doubt it. How can he answer if they
do not worship in spirit and in truth?
"My gift is eternal life
which has to start on Earth where they need its
cleansing power, and where we need our good news
of salvation accepted. Oh that my people would start
their lives with me there so they could live abundantly
and not perish! Why do they want to wait and wait
until it is too late?"
seemed to drift off into a fog of sadness. I sensed that
he was reliving a Gethsemane of agony where he had foreseen
a world of people rejecting his way to share their lives
with him. It had made him bleed!
explained about timelessness, so it now seemed a good "time"
to inspect this paradise of mine a bit more closely. Nothing
so grand could be imagined as a "walk" with Jesus who could
answer the swarms of questions forming in my new mind.
"What a view! What
a place Jesus had prepared!"
stock-still suspended in weightlessness a few feet above
the flowered meadow. The ecstatic release from gravity in
this new body was part of the permeating peace which surrounded
me. Without time, I had no need to hurry.
surrounded me. It came from all directions. Its harmonic
beauty unlike earthly vocal or instrumental sounds was totally
undistorted. It flowed unobtrusively like a glassy river,
quietly worshipful, excitingly edifying, and totally comforting.
It provided a reassuring type of comfort much like a protective
blanket that whispered peace and love. I had never sensed
anything like it. Perhaps "angelic" would describe it.
was "sounding" within my head, not from an eardrum. Obviously
it was not airborne. Most unusual to me was the absence
of any "beat." Then I realized that without "time" this
heavenly music could have no beat which is a measure of
time! I was hearing harmonic perfection, undistorted by
any interposed medium between me and its source, as heard
mind-to-mind. I could wait no longer to ask:
"Jesus, tell me about this
wondrous music all about me. Who is the composer?
How is it made? From whence does it come? It is
I was not disappointed
when he began his answer by again asking me:
"Didn't you read my book?
Repeatedly it exhorts my children to praise me with
music from strings, trumpets, timbrels and voices.
It is and was the prime communication of worship
and praise and thanksgiving. Since I am the Creator,
I am the composer of heaven's music which you are
became the resulting harmony from all of our creations,
both of matter and energy. All resonated in unison with
us. The elementary form was of and from and in ourselves.
I might explain it as a triad of sub-electronic energy particles
with and around which We constructed everything in our universe.
The wave-forms we called light; whereas the material-forms
we called dust of the Earth and water and air. Out of these,
and into these, we created animals and birds and fishes
and vegetable life to support them. Over these we created
a mankind to supervise them as our appointed custodians
made in our special image to act for us on Earth!
hesitated as I tried to capture the immensity of his explanations.
"You must understand,
my son, that original creation mirrored the composition
and perfection of Person-God. All creation vibrated
in unison with us! There was total accord and harmony
everywhere as the whole creation was resonating
with and in God!
"Each separate thing or
being thus carried out an appointed task in our
scheme for the universe. A heaven-form of music
resulted as even the stars sang in their appointed
circuits. Here in paradise you are hearing these
melodious vibrations directly upon your new mind,
undistorted. On Earth you heard distorted sounds
through the air waves. Throughout heaven the music
flows from my throne, uninterrupted, undefiled,
Jesus paused again.
"My book tells of the
time when Lucifer's rebellion in heaven changed
some things. He sought to usurp my Father's throne,
assume his position as the most high God, and to
rule the universe. For that blasphemy Lucifer was
cast from heaven to Earth; in fact, I saw him fall
as a bolt of lightning! In a tantrum of hate and
rage over being deposed so fast he and his fallen
angels disfigured our perfect Earth. It became void
and uninhabitable. For punishment befitting his
enemy of God, Lucifer was given a new name, Satan,
since he was the self-appointed 'adversary' of the
Almighty. Anything that God had made, Satan would
attempt to destroy from then on. As Lucifer he had
been created the highest angel about the throne,
one of his assignments and talents being the chief
musician in charge of worship and music. In his
rebellious anger he set about destroying harmony
on and in the Earth from then on. That is why the
Earth where he operates now is out of harmony with
God's other creations. In my book we call this disharmony
'sin', because it defies God's will that even the
heavens declare the glory of God and the firmament
show his handiwork.
"But be of good cheer,
my son. The Father has permitted me to overcome
Satan's world system of sin, and to destroy the
works of Satan, and to re-establish righteousness
in the hearts of my friends. Eventually in his chosen
time he will restore all creation as it once was,
It was clear enough that God's
"heaven-music" was ever-present as a permeating reminder
of the purity and power in its Creator. As God's methods
of communication are headlined by music, even so is Satan's
method of distorting its language to deceive through his
"rock"! Jesus had clearly implied already that one of his
final missions would be to destroy the very "works of the
devil" which include all music that fails to honor the Lord.
Messiah promised to destroy any disharmonies which Satan
uses to lure and deceive innocent children into the pits
around me suddenly seemed louder. I rushed to a nearby tree
and grasped its trunk to my ear: it was "singing." I lifted
my right elbow to my head; it too emitted the same joyous,
beatless melody. Excitedly I stopped to pick some flowers,
and found them already in my hand. They too were "playing"
This bouquet in my hand made me
gasp in wonderment for two reasons: it was so suddenly there
in my hand without my having as yet picked it, and it was
so exceedingly beautiful! I had merely thought about a bouquet,
and there it was, ready for my inspection.
now gazing at stamens and pistils and calyces of transparent
gold. Lengthwise through them I could see down into their
stems. It was my first moment to see an example of heaven's
liquid transparent gold? Such a thrill to share its beauty!
noted the stems which filled my palm! Soft as velvet, and
devoid of moisture, yet so alive! The pure-white petals,
four to each flower, were identical, flawless, and picture-perfect.
They seemed to be internally energized since all were emitting
light of appropriate color.
"Jesus, I do not understand.
I just decided to pick some flowers. They are already
in my hand. I can see transparent golden centers,
and their stems are waterless. I also sense that
I am speaking with You through a new mind, with
which I receive immediate answers!"
"My son," came the reply,
"you are discovering how my mind works. Here in
paradise I have given you a portion of my MIND with
which we communicate. You just discovered one of
its properties: a thought in heaven instantly becomes
an act or a fact. DIDN'T YOU READ MY BOOK? In it
I told my children that 'ye have the Mind of Christ'
when you are in me. On Earth they too seldom use
it. Here in paradise it is the only mind. The earthly
mind died with the carnal body; it was an enmity
to me! Flesh and blood can not inherit the kingdom
of God; only a righteous mind is present in heaven.
"Here I speak mind-to-mind
in my heaven-language. My word immediately performs
my will. It is truth! To create, I think, and it
is done. Of course, Satan has no power to interfere
in this heaven.
"I hung the stars in space
to tell of my protection and promises. When I wanted
an earthly family to fellowship with me, I thought
of God's image, and it became a man who would live
with life-flowing blood. I thought of animals, fish
and birds: there they were, ready to eat the foods
which I had carefully prepared for them that day.
Even now, when I wish to bless my people, the power
of my thought provides and transmits my blessings
anywhere I send them.
"My book tells mankind
that my thoughts are not as his are: his are vanity
and evil and against Me. They come from the mind
of unsaved man. There is no power in such thinking.
To me it is an abomination.
"Because I am the righteousness
of God, My thoughts are precious and unlimited.
Just as this paradise is far above the Earth, so
my thoughts are of peace and of goodwill toward
men. My power sheds my love on them!
"When I created something
new, I did not need evolution! I AM THE WORD. I
am all that my Father needed to form, all that is
seen from things not seen! Satan detests me and
everything I created, so he used a theory intended
to blaspheme my power: a lie and deception. He still
does. There is no truth in him anyway. He knows
better: he was among the first and highest creations,
but he fell through his overwhelming pride to an
eventual eternity in hell which was prepared for
the punishment of him and his worshippers.
"My son, your mind in
paradise works with the power of mind. I give that
very special privilege to all the children of God!"
Jesus changed the subject:
"You were amazed at the
gold in the flowers. I enjoyed watching you discover
that heavenly things are of a material unlike the
dust of the Earth. Our gold is pure and transparent
and eternal. My light shines through it. I created
it that way as a gift to my Father! It bespeaks
Jesus hastened to explain more.
"You were wondering about
those 'dry' stems. My book would have told you that
because of sin. Satan lied and did deceive Eve,
and then Adam, into sinning against their Creator-God.
In heaven, which includes paradise, there are no
gases such as hydrogen and oxygen from which I made
water on Earth. On Earth it is essential to maintain
life. It is a substitute for what we have here,
LIVING WATER! Earthly water has become polluted.
Living water is always pure. It flows from my throne.
One drop can last for eternity. Remember? I told
the woman at the well that she should ask of me
a drop of that living water. She was so excited
that she sent a crowd of her friends running to
"Earth's water has been
so dirtied by man that I will someday have to destroy
all of it, and remake the old Earth with a new one
without even a sea!
"My son, you know that
everything in all of heaven is sustained by MY LIVING
WATER. Your flowers are one example which I let
you discover so that you would ask me for an answer.
Your flowers are watered from my throne through
my Spirit. You noted the absence of any fallen leaves.
My living water prevents leaves from dying; it does
not evaporate! All forms of life here is maintained
by my light and my living water. Both are pure and
eternal. I told you in my book about these leaves:
they are for the healing of the nations! And I told
you that I would be the light of heaven, and no
curse can exist in my light!
"At the time of creation,
we ordered each life form to multiply 'after its
own kind,' including new mankind. We made them male
and female so that their union in procreation would
mirror the bond of loving unity which exists between
the Father in heaven and his family on Earth. That
is my Father's greatest love! He even had me shed
my blood and die in order to re-establish that relationship
as an eternal gift!
"My son, the time is coming
when Satan will be bound in a bottomless pit for
a thousand years awaiting his banishment into eternal
punishment in a lake of fire! His reign of terror
on the Earth will have ended. No longer will he
be allowed to corrupt the minds and families of
man. His worldwide rule over the nations will have
been suddenly ended. I will rule instead! As I told
you in my book, with Satan gone I will create a
new heaven and Earth and a new city, Jerusalem.
My peace and grace will abound (instead of every
kind of sin and hate as have existed on Earth since
Babylon because man chose to worship the devil).
The whole universe will then be set free to worship
the righteous God."
Five years after
this conversation with me, Jesus re-appeared to me in Lazarus'
tomb with an amazing command:
"Go tell them what I explained
to you in paradise when I let you die for a while!"
NOTE: This was a mystical experience Dr. Eby
had while on tour in Israel while he was inside
of Lazarus' tomb.
been attempting to speak and write words ever since of that
fantastic moment, but no human language is at all adequate.
However, I pray that some words here have been meaningful
to someone. Jesus promised that he would see to that!
(This is his story
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A Detailed Description of Dr. Eby's Spirit Body
Suddenly, as the
risen Lord paused in his explanation of future glories in
a righteous universe, I realized that the new body I had
in this paradise had not once signaled its presence to my
mind. I had been oblivious of its existence while Jesus
was talking. And yet it was "me", and vitally alive. This
raised another question.
These events in paradise had occurred
with such lightning-like speed that I had not inspected
my totally comfortable new body. It was unbelievable, as
was everything else up there!
recognizable as "me." My shape, size, and appearance would
indicate that I had been changed suddenly into an unmarred,
unscarred, weightless "me." This was Dick Eby in some new
form! My amazement grew with each part that I inspected.
Never had I seen anything like it. Was I "in" a new body,
or was I "the" new body? I could not tell."
To this day I do not know; neither
did St. Paul who sagely described his similar experiences
as "unutterable," not knowing whether he was "in or out
of the body." He said that it was "celestial."
fascinated me. Obviously of a substance peculiar to heaven,
it was modestly glowing, transparent to the direct gaze,
yet semi-solid at times. Looking down at my feet, I was
shocked to see myself not touching the solid ground, although
I had felt a thud when I had suddenly arrived there. I hung
gracefully above the lush grasses of this meadow. I noted
stemmed flowers with glowing white petals standing quietly
within my legs up to the kneecaps. I saw no muscles nor
nerves, no vessels nor bones, just that homogeneous glass-like
"spirit-matter"! Obviously these flowers ignored my presence,
just as I did not feel theirs. Reflexly I feared lest I
had damaged these heavenly flowers by landing upon them;
I would lift my right leg off them. Before finishing my
thought, the leg was raised, and the flowers remained motionless
and perfect. I gasped. My thought had lifted the leg as
it was being simultaneously "processed."
I heard myself think:
"That's exciting; I will
lower my leg back over the flowers and see what
was felt; not a petal moved within my leg. It was amazing.
of being "free indeed" in a new place and a new body made
me feel like a spirited calf loosed from a stall. I decided
to run around my paradise and learn more about it and me.
At the thought, I was running without touching the ground.
Although my legs were in motion, my speed changed with my
thoughts. I came to a tree and passed throughout it without
feeling anything. I kicked my feet through the grasses,
bushes, and bed of flowers; nothing was disturbed. They
simply passed through my legs with no resistance. I was
rapidly learning that a "spirit body" and this heavenly
vegetation are not of any earthly substance.
running to inspect my own body more closely. It was homogeneous.
As I gazed through it I was surprised to see no organs.
It apparently functioned without members of differing secretions
and excretions! It was immediately logical to me that in
heaven there is no need for a body to ingest, digest, transform,
reform, nor to "process" foods or waste! In heaven there
is no polluted water nor air nor chemical to attack the
spirit body. There is not even an unclean thought to be
spirit body had no restrictions imposed by an outer or inner
environment of solids, gases, or waste. What excitement!
I was enjoying dashing effortlessly around the huge valley
floor of flowering meadows, and up the mountainsides to
the stately, symmetrical "cedars of Lebanon" (as my
mind was silently naming them).
to cast my shadow across the underlying fields as I swooped
along. Everything was so brightly lit. It seemed abnormal
not to see shadows so I flailed my arms: nothing. The light
of heaven was coming from no one source, but was emitted
everywhere in appropriate colors. Each bit of vegetation
seemed to contain a light source of its own. So did I.
I raised my arms in thanks and adoration for my Lord's love
in showing me heaven's wonders which were mysteries to me.
As I bowed my head, I noted a glowing pure-white gown which
somehow I had not seen when I looked through it in search
of organs! I was awed by its total weightlessness and silky
softness. My raised arms had parted its overlapping folds
for the moment, revealing me as a neuter (i.e. no sex organs)!
This came as a shock, although I had not felt surprise at
the absence of defects or scars. This alteration was so
"Lord Jesus, why am I now
a neuter? I was a man."
"Yes, Dick, you were always
a man, a child of God who returned our love by telling
others of the good news about me. Remember? You
read in my book the very first order I gave to Adam
and Eve? 'Be fruitful and multiply!' I told them
to replenish the Earth, not heaven. Again I told
the Sadducees (who did not believe in a resurrection)
that they 'knew not the scriptures' when they speculated
about wives in heaven. I explained that after the
resurrection all would be like angels who do not
marry nor raise families. Everything in heaven is
created or re-created into perfection! It is all
in my book. None other is truth!
"In fact, everything that
my children need to know about how God thinks and
works and judges and rewards, either before or after
the cross, is already in my book. That is why I
commanded mankind to 'engrave my words upon their
hearts,' and to pass them along from generation
to generation. I wanted everyone to hear and know
just who I AM, the Messiah, their one hope of salvation,
their most high God."
I checked my body
again: truly celestial! Its senses were too keen to describe.
instantly responsive. Comfortable and totally peaceful.
Unaware of any disharmony elsewhere. Thinking with the mind
of Christ. Sensing that I was IN him somehow.
He had said so clearly:
"I and the Father are one."
He had prayed so fervently:
"... that they all may be
one, as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee;
that they may be also one in us!," the Father declared
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A Detailed Description of the Heaven Dr. Eby Experienced
contemplation of experiencing this fulfillment of being
in paradise with the risen Jesus was unutterable. To know
that I, in this spirit body, was actually in some glorious
sense in him for eternity staggered even the imagination
of my new mind. It was so obvious that Dick Eby had not
of himself merited any such glory.
in paradise were occurring unbelievable fast. Thoughts and
actions there seemingly vie with each other to be completed
instantly. The environment of heaven with its timelessness,
weightlessness, and lack of all earthly confusion and stress
results in a type of "joy" unattainable in this world system.
I simply stood (floated) quietly, peacefully, entranced
in an experience which only a living, loving God could have
arranged for his followers!
all this time seemed to be a component of myself, of my
spirit body and of my mind. He must have been amused at
my near-delirious joy while inspecting the place he had
prepared for my pleasure.
"My son, you seem to be
enjoying the freedoms of heaven! You looked surprised
especially over your spirit body which is so different
from your former one. That is one reason that I
had allowed it to die so that I could reveal to
you another truth which my book contains. You now
know that my book is true when I promise complete
healing as part of salvaging my sheep from sin.
I had to prepare an incorruptible body to replace
the fleshly one that had been cursed ever since
Adam disobeyed me in the garden.
"In order not to break
my own verdict, I had to sentence Adam's seed to
'surely die' because he followed Satan's advice.
I had to leave the seeds of death in his flesh.
My book says that I can and will mend man's body
when it will result in glory to my Father; but I
do not give 'divine' health to the carnal body:
only to the spirit or resurrection form. Death of
the dust-body (not the human spirit) is
still a divine decree. Only through rebirth of the
spirit in a new creation (which will transform man
completely) can an incorruptible body be attained,
fit for eternal existence in and with me! I made
that fact so clear by dying and arising in my new
body! I was the example. I told my disciples that
they would follow me in that newness of life. A
few understood finally, after seeing me ascend to
"My Father empowered me
to act as 'a quickening Spirit' in order to raise
the dead, in body and spirit. Remember? I told that
secret to Mary and Martha: 'I am the resurrection
and the life!' Then I demonstrated how my Father
had given power to me (for his purpose)
when needed. They watched, and they believed! YOU
are here now because I passed you from death unto
this paradise of marvels had supplied enough wonders! Any
earthly dreams about "heavenly mansions" had been corrected
and surpassed. No memories of Earth remained with me except
the ones which Jesus was obviously implanting in my new
mind in order to understand what he had to tell me. His
mind-to-mind conversation from within me was unbelievable
precise as to meaning, and as fast as lightning. What a
stood still, surveying the peace-filled valley, quiet except
for the background music that flowed through and around
everything. The brilliant light of heaven filled the "sky"
without hurting the eyes of my "spirit body." No sense of
fatigue or need for sleep existed in this body. There was
no "time", no "daylight" savings! No hurry, hurry.
noticed something amazingly delightful: I was bathed in
a delicate perfume, totally "heavenly!" I had been smelling
it all along, but was too excited to stop and sniff its
absolute loveliness. It seemed to permeate the landscape
and me. I imagined that whatever it was, it was certainly
fit only for a king!
"Jesus," I exclaimed, "What
is this perfume? Do angels use it? Where does it
Silence. I repeated the query.
Still no answer. Perhaps the Lord would answer later? (He
did! But not in heaven).
no answer, I turned my gaze toward the far end of my valley.
Again I gasped at its grandeur. Tall rolling hills stretched
into the distant sky, skirted at their feet with green meadows
trimmed in white and gold flowers. My mind was reminding
me of Jesus' comment about "lilies of the field" whose adornment
surpassed the elegance of Solomon.
peacefully examining a cluster of intriguingly lovely lilies
(kind unknown to me) when an unexpected strangeness suddenly
seemed to crush me.
(I had been enjoying
my paradise all this time; the reality of being "at home"
had become a normal situation which can best be described
as an immersion into total peace, unending and perfect!)
It was as though
a subtle "change in plans" had now occurred: my perfect
peace seemed to "crack." An unexplained restlessness crept
into me, and a memory formed in my mind for the first time:
Where is Maybelle, my loving, lovely wife on Earth? We were
so close that she must have died too. She must be up here
in her very own paradise. I must find her and take her a
bouquet of these lovely flowers. She would so enjoy them.
Where do I find her? I feel so lonesome.
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Dr. Eby Returns to His Physical Body
I looked away from the flowers at
my feet, just as a narrow path suddenly parted the lush
grass, as if a rushing blade had mowed a strip from my feet
to the far end of the valley. Just as suddenly we both were
running along (but just above) this pathway. I
shouted to Jesus:
"What is happening? Where
am I headed? Why do I suddenly remember my Maybelle?
I must find her!"
"My son, fear not! You remembered
about her because I put it upon your mind that she
was part of you. I wanted you to understand why
my Father and I made marriage something very special.
I wrote in my book a warning: 'Let no man put asunder
what God has united!' We were planning the earthly
family to be as close-knit as is our heavenly family,
like a mirror-image!"
Just then I noted that our speed
along the path was rapidly accelerating, and that a curve
to the right was visible far ahead where the path disappeared
into a pass.
"You are feeling 'incomplete'
all at once because your other half is 'missing'.
We made the two of you one! I want you to experience
something right now in paradise with me which you
could not sense elsewhere! I am letting you feel
'intense hurt', the hurt of lonesomeness, such as
I have felt from being separated from my earthly
people for so long! Remember? I told Adam that it
is not good to be alone as a man! Since he was made
in our image, the same applies to God.
"We chose a family once:
We espoused Israel and Judah as the wife of Jehovah.
She and we would walk and work together to bring
down the idol worship of Satan's nations who rejected
"But our wife Israel chased
after other gods, and played the whore and 'slept'
with Satan. Jehovah (who includes me) had to obey
his own laws, so we gave her a bill of divorcement.
We had to chasten her until she would repent: otherwise
we would be breaking our own rules! Since then she
has not yet repented, and is still wandering like
"I am lonesome for my
people to come home to me. I even came to Earth
to win them back, but they said 'Away with him!
Crucify him!' I left them a promise that I still
love them. After all I even died for them. I promised
that I would restore my divorcee and would wash
her filthy rags of whoredom white as snow. I would
make her my new bride adorned in a pure white wedding
gown with jewels. As a wedding present I would reestablish
her nation on Earth to be a blessing once again
(instead of the stumbling stone). I must be her
king on David's throne! And soon!
"The Father and I have
felt so neglected all these centuries without the
love we sought to enjoy with our family. Can you
now imagine how we hurt as I await my body and my
Father waits to remarry a penitent wife as our new
bride? I am letting you feel that sense of separation!"
Only the rush of
our speed could have turned my attention away from Jesus'
profound statements. The bend in the path was approaching
in the distance, so Jesus hastened to finish his lesson
"My son, the most important
earthly gift meant to reflect the inseparable bond
of love which unites us with our sheep in our fold!
We become ONE with them, just as we intend marriage
to make one out of two on Earth! That is what happens
when a man and his mate let us put them together.
I said so in my book which is my love-letter to
our family on Earth.
"Oh that my people would
turn back now to God! My Father is unwilling that
any should perish, but very few listen to us. Their
eyes and ears are sealed over by sins which they
enjoy. It simply makes our search for the lost ones
all the more intense! I have prepared and promised
them unsearchable riches in our presence; in fact
everything that I have received from the Father
I have willed over to them, jointly! I want my body
of believers completed very soon, so that the bride
can be united in us at the marriage table! I am
their lamb. If only my people would call on me,
I could answer them now! Do you sense my loneliness?
I am ready; why must they tarry?"
I was about to respond when the
pathway above which was speeding took a sharp right turn
into a narrow valley. As I swooped between its foothills
I gasped at a familiar voice that echoed from somewhere
"Dick, were are you? Follow
my voice. I need you!"
Like a bolt of lightning-speed
I was suddenly being shot forward. Her voice became louder
and louder. I was being sucked forward as if by a huge vacuum
and then, into total blackness and blankness! No voice,
no nothing. I had been sent out of paradise. Why?
learn later. Plans had been changed! Maybelle had been frantically
praying for a miracle: and Jesus had answered!
planning, my time in paradise had fulfilled what he wanted
to accomplish for me there. He had left Maybelle on Earth
to accomplish for her another purpose!
It would take many
months for us to be shown how the horror of her day of widowhood
(with its blood, sirens, and questionings, and waiting,
and shocking hopeless reports) could possibly be "to
the glory of God!" The numbing sudden loss of her loved
one had initially erased from her mind the details which
require immediate answers at such a time of accident. So
"Help me, Jesus! I don't
know what to do!"
And then it happened.
[Dr. Richard Eby's NDE ends here.]
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Articles about Dr. Richard Eby Before and After His Death
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Dr. Richard Eby's Obituary
Eby Home with Jesus
"Dear friends, I have just
received an unconfirmed report that Dr. Richard
Eby went to be with the Lord yesterday, December
26, 2002. (Later confirmed.) This will come as a
great disappointment to many because of the belief
that the rapture would occur while Eby was still
alive, based on his own testimony. However, this
is probably why, with amazing timing, God gave us
new insight on what Eby really heard from the Lord
as shared by Rev. Ron Patterson on December 23,
just three days before Eby's death, which I will
repeat below." -
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9. Webmaster Kevin Williams
Answers Questions About Dr. Eby's NDE
the NDE of
Dr. Richard Eby,
let me start off by giving a quote from
Jody Long concerning
the effect of the experiencer's religious background on
the interpretation of their NDE.
"One of the near-death
experience truths is that each person integrates
their near-death experience into their own pre-existing
belief system." (Jody
also written quite a bit on this as well at my
In Eby's lengthy discussion with Jesus, Jesus talks about
his "book" (e.g.,
the Bible) and how
everything written his "book" is "truth."
Yes. I have come across no NDE where a Being of Light tells
them the Bible is false. One particular NDEr, Rev. Howard
Storm was able to ask Jesus and his escorts the following:
"When the review was finished
they asked, 'Do you want to ask any questions?"
and I had a million questions. I asked, for example,
"What about the Bible?"
'What about it?'
"I asked if it was true,
and they said it was.
"Asking them why it
was that when I tried to read it, all I saw were
contradictions, they took me back to my life's review
again – something that I had overlooked. They showed
me, for the few times I had opened the Bible, that
I had read it with the idea of finding contradictions
and problems. I was trying to prove to myself that
it wasn't worth reading.
observed to them that the Bible wasn't clear to
me. It didn't make sense. They told me that it contained
spiritual truth, and that I had to read it spiritually
in order to understand it. It should be read prayerfully.
My friends informed me that it was not like other
"They also told me, and I later found
out this was true, that when you read it prayerfully,
it talks to you. It reveals itself to you. And you
don't have to work at it anymore." (Rev.
question is not whether or not the Bible is true, but which
(or traditional Christian interpretation)
is true. When Rev. Howard Storm would read the literal verses
of the Bible, he would find contradictions. But a spiritual
interpretation expands the meaning of such verses. From
my own experience, I have found a number of different interpretations
that one can use on a particular Bible passage. For example,
this passage of Revelation:
"Nevertheless, I [Jesus]
have this against you: You tolerate that woman Jezebel,
who calls herself a prophetess. By her teaching
she misleads my servants into sexual immorality
and the eating of food sacrificed to idols. I have
given her time to repent of her immorality, but
she is unwilling. So I will cast her on a bed of
suffering, and I will make those who commit adultery
with her suffer intensely, unless they repent of
her ways." (Revelation
Learn more information about Jezebel in the Bible at
Here are four different interpretations
of this Bible passage:
A literal interpretation
Revelation 2:20-23: The Church in Thyatira had
a prophetess who led people into sexually immorality
and eating food sacrificed to idols for which Jesus
A cultural and historical
Revelation 2:20-23: The Church of Thyatira is
actually a letter to all Christians, past and future,
to warn us against sexual immorality and idolatry.
A spiritual interpretation
Revelation 2:20-23: The Book of Revelation
is a message to be interpreted at the individual,
personal level and also at the all of humanity level.
On an individual level
each of the seven churches represents a spiritual
center - a "chakra" - within the body.
The Church of Thyatria represents the "heart" spiritual
center. Jesus warns against living a life without
love and seeking only sexual gratification. This
"unholy" condition that wars against the "heart"
is represented by Jezebel, the symbol of fleshly
pleasure. The warning is that unless the heart changes
for the better, it will suffer a "great tribulation."
My prophetic interpretation
Revelation 2:20-23: Each "Church" represents
an "age" or dispensation of Christian history. The
Church of Thyatira represents the time period between
606 AD and 1520 AD.
believes the Thyatira Church age is the age referred
to as the "pagan church" or the corrupt church.
History calls this period of time "The Dark Ages."
The Thyatira Church age is when Christianity began
to "prostitute" with the secular world. A more elaborate
description of this church age can be found on various
Rev. Howard Pittman was told
during his NDE that humanity is now living in the "Laodicean
Church age", the last of the seven Churches in Revelation,
the final time period before Jesus returns.
want to point out there is another interpretation of scriptures
using what is called "The
Bible Code" which has
hidden information within the Hebrew text of the Bible.
QUESTION: As we both know, the fundamental
tenet of Christianity is acceptance of Jesus as our Lord
and Savior before we will be allowed in the Kingdom of Heaven.
This is most especially telling when Dr. Eby quoted Jesus
saying to him the following:
"Now, my Son, to answer
your question: paradise is a holding tank for the
souls who have accepted me as their savior simply
by faith in me having laid down my life to redeem
them from the curse of sin."
KEVIN'S ANSWER: My interpretation
of what Jesus is telling Eby is that there is an abode
(one of many mansions) where Christians of such
simple faith go after death. Because he uses the phrase
"holding tank," I believe he is using the concept which
is found in many NDEs concerning a kind of "transit center"
where souls go before they are sent out to various other
"abodes" or heavens.
There are Christian heavens, Buddhist heavens, Islamic heavens,
etc. etc.. Every soul goes
where they fit in. In other words, there are many "heavens"
which make up the afterlife - along with many "hells."
QUESTION: [Eby quoting Jesus
continues:] "In fact, everything that my children
need to know about how God thinks and works and judges and
rewards, either before or after the cross, is already in
my book. That is why I commanded mankind to ‘engrave my
words upon their hearts,' and to pass them along from generation
to generation. I wanted everyone to hear and know just who
I AM, the Messiah, their one hope of salvation, their most
I believe this is true also. The gospel of salvation is
so simple that people feel they have to build entire systems
of theology around it. The central message of the gospel
is this: love. God so loved the world. Jesus did not preach
a new religion, just love. Living a life of love as Jesus
did is how we can become like Jesus. Everything else is
debating how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.
QUESTION: [Eby quoting Jesus
continues:] "My gift is eternal life which has
to start on Earth where they need its cleansing power, and
where we need our good news of salvation accepted. Oh, that
my people would start their lives with me there so they
could live abundantly and not perish! Why do they want to
wait and wait until it is too late?"
KEVIN'S ANSWER: Yes, this is true.
In the Bible, this is what Jesus said about eternal life:
On one occasion an expert
in the law stood up to test Jesus.
"Teacher," he asked, "What
must I do to inherit eternal life?"
"What is written in the
law?" he replied. "How do you read it?"
He answered, "Love
the Lord your God with all your heart and with
all your soul and with all your strength and with
all your mind, and, love
your neighbor as yourself."
have answered correctly," Jesus replied, "Do this
and you will live." (Luke
is as simple and as profound as that: love your neighbor
and love God with all you can. Do this and you will have
eternal life. You'll never have to die anymore.
QUESTION: Yet, you state:
"Before knew about near-death
experiences, I was a fundamentalist Christian who
was absolutely certain that when I die, I would
be carried to the highest heaven to be forever before
the very throne of God. But, after reading several
near-death experiences, such as that of
Dr. George Ritchie,
I realized that merely "believing in Jesus" is not
enough to attain heaven. I learned that one must
become as Christ himself practicing unconditional
love for others to reach this level of bliss. It
means we get to heaven by emulating the love of
Jesus rather than by worshipping him. Reading near-death
experiences cracked my rigid religious mindset and
made my religious beliefs to be completely ridiculous
at best." -
In fact, [Kevin's] further discussions
even refute the need to accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior
to achieve salvation which greatly helps to explain why
there are so many religions in the world.
KEVIN'S ANSWER: Yes, it is my belief
faith alone (Paul's theology) is not correct and
that works (James' theology) is the proper context.
James knew Jesus' teachings far better than Paul ever did.
Jesus constantly taught the importance of works of love.
And the idea that all people need to do is believe in his
name to be saved is against the very teachings of Jesus.
When Christians refer to "believing in Jesus" it can mean
a number of different things. Here are some of them:
Jesus' name. To know his name. Jesus' name
is literally the "magical ticket" to heaven.
Believing what the Bible
says about Jesus. Believing Jesus is the
Messiah. Believing Jesus is Lord. This theological
system is known as "faith only" salvation and it
originated with the Apostle Paul.
Living your life as Jesus
did - loving others and God - unconditionally.
Believing in Jesus's name is not enough. Believing
things about Jesus is not enough. "Believing in
Jesus" means actually following the spiritual path
laid down by Jesus and other highly evolved
spiritual leaders throughout history. This
is the theological system known as "salvation
by works" taught by Jesus and the twelve apostles
which is identical to the Eastern concept of "karma."
my view is that only option (3) will get
you to that level where Jesus is. Options (1)
and (2) mean very little.
QUESTION: I noted at the
a discussion about this issue with spirit guides on the
issue of religion when the following assumption regarding
Jesus was made:
"Jesus is the 'door' through
which everyone on Earth will return to God. Of all
the knowledge humans have, there is none more essential
than knowing God."
guides of the
website answered this assumption with the following:
"This is a partial truth.
Jesus is not the door through which all humans will
return to their spirit and to their evolution of
God. To return to God is a choice that each individual
being has at what level they will return and what
they will feel on the other side. Jesus is not the
answer to that. You within yourself are the answer
to that. Not all beings accept Jesus as Christians
do but that does not keep them from their oneness
KEVIN'S ANSWER: I have never said
"Jesus is the 'door' through which everyone on Earth will
return to God." This is a false assumption. I believe the
evidence shows Jesus is a "way-shower" like many other advanced
spiritual "way-showers" throughout history including Buddha,
However, it may be possible that this is a reference to
the "Being of Light" who is God manifesting as all personalities
including Jesus, Buddha, everyone. This agrees with what
those spirit guides are saying. God appears to us in the
form we are most comfortable with.
QUESTION: Furthermore, in Dr. Eby's
NDE, Jesus mentions "Satan" several times. In particular,
he wrote "Messiah promised to destroy any disharmonies which
Satan uses to lure and deceive innocent children into the
pits of hell!" Followed by "My son, the time is coming when
Satan will be bound in a bottomless pit for a thousand years
awaiting his banishment into eternal punishment in a lake
of fire!" This "lake of fire" that Jesus is referring to
has been the tradition conception of "hell."
"The devil does not exist;
at least not as people on Earth believe. There is
no being who can be everywhere at once, who has
powers to torment everyone at the same time. God
would not permit such a being to exist." (Kevin
the spirit guides of the
website answered with the following:
"We would say that that
is a true statement. What those on Earth consider
the devil is not one energy power as an entity but
is the negative emotional energies that one chooses
to experience in their life and therefore they are
creating their own devil within themselves by choosing
to live in fear, anger, blame, hate and all the
negative energies one experiences. That is truly
what the devil is. And as a person moves closer
to their oneness with God they move from all of
those negative limiting experiences and energies
into the vibrational force of God and love."
KEVIN'S ANSWER: Yes. As one particular
NDEr stated, if such a being as a Devil existed, he would
have to be either dim-witted or crazy to believe he could
defeat God. It would be the equivalent of someone believing
they could stop the sun from shining. Too many Christians
believe such a being exists and is omnipresently trying
to lead people away from God.
Near-death accounts reveal how
everyone has within them a divine nature (spirit)
and a human nature (flesh) that frequently wars
against each other. At the level of the spirit, everyone
is connected and there is no separation between people.
On the other hand, our human nature has the tendency to
believe we are separate from everyone else and God. Our
human nature often "battles" against our spiritual nature.
This is what religious people refer to as "Satan" or the
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NDE Insights Describing the Spiritual Battle Within Human
Our minds are led by the spirit we are entertaining,
the spirit of God or the spirit of the devil -
self. What people
think of as "Satan", is really their own personality
characteristics of self-centeredness, self-interest,
self-gratification, self-righteousness, self-consciousness,
self-glorification, self-condemnation, self-will,
SELF. Jesus knew he had to die on the cross to fulfill
his mission of demonstrating to humanity how self-sacrifice
and self-denial can overcome these human desires
of self-centeredness and self-gratification and
how it leads to our complete restoration with the
divine nature within us. (Edgar
The struggle between our higher and lower
selves grows until finally the destructive elements
are completely overcome. (Betty
Humans are educated at a higher level by
spirit beings who bring us into heaven. We grow
and increase, and grow and increase, and shed the
concerns, desires, and base animal stuff that we
have been fighting much of our life. Earthly appetites
melt away. It is no longer a struggle to fight them.
We become who we truly are, which is part of the
I had a descent into what you might call
Hell .... I did not see Satan or evil. My descent
into Hell was a descent into each person's customized
human misery, ignorance, and darkness of not-knowing.
It seemed like a miserable eternity. But each of
the millions of souls around me had a little star
of light always available. But no one seemed to
pay attention to it. They were so consumed with
their own grief, trauma and misery. (Mellen-Thomas
Satan is a personal
The sin and Satan we live is that of our
own creation. (Sherry
Do you believe in the devil?
Answer: "No, but
if there is one, he would have to be an insane
angel who was crazy enough to fight with God, which
would be as futile as for us to try to stop the
sunrise. I believe the devil is a mythological character,
invented by humans and used for a scapegoat. Grown
people with immature minds like to blame the devil
for their misdeeds instead of acting like people
and taking the blame themselves. However, there
may be earthbound spirits of low vibrations, whom
we may regard as devils because they annoy us through
mental telepathy. These demons tune in on us through
our low vibrations of hate, fear and greed. They
can be tuned out with unselfish love, or if necessary
be chased away by the stronger spirit of Jesus Christ.
There's an old saying, "Birds of a feather, flock
together." The way to be rid of the "devil" is not
to be like him. (Arthur
Is there a Devil? Answer:
"Just knowing the bad mistakes you made through
your carelessness or your selfishness is a hell.
You don't need a devil prodding you with a fork.
Believe me, your own anguished mind is a prod that
is more hurtful than any prodding with a devil's
fork. I met a man over here who said that he would
gladly exchange good old Dante's Inferno for the
mental anguish he was experiencing over guilt feelings
from wrong actions he had taken on Earth in certain
business matters. In Dante's Inferno he would
be able to complain that the devil was doing this
to him, whereas now he had no devil to complain
of because the devil was himself. Whether there
is a negative personal being who can be called the
devil I cannot say. I have not seen anyone personified
as the devil. There certainly is an evil force
which builds up from the negative aspects of life
and has a tremendous influence. Thought forms which
are evil certainly play a part, but I don't think
they are the whole answer." (Margaret
I asked if there was a Devil or Satan. He
said to me, "Would God allow that?" He continued,
"If I made you God for just a few seconds, what
would you do first?" I knew my first act would
be to eliminate any Devil or Satan. I asked, "How
do I know right from wrong?" He replied, "Right
is helping and being kind. Wrong is not only hurting
someone but not helping when you can." (Cecil)
If we are convinced a devil is out there
to trick or deceive us, and if we have already pictured
in our minds what this devil looks like and what
he plans on doing, we should really not be surprised
when our worst fears are confirmed. The devils we
create become real and solid in the next dimension
because we created them. (Jerry
Book of Revelation
is a highly symbolic book describing the struggle
within every person and humanity at large between
the divine nature of spirit and the human nature
of fleshly desires. The war in heaven between God
and the "Devil" symbolizes the war between our Higher
Self and our lower self. Our Higher Self is a part
of the Universal Consciousness (Holy Spirit) of
God. The lower self is a person's selfish force
that creates the illusion of separation between
people and is the source of all wars and atrocities
that occur in the world (our body). Only the purification
of the world (our body) will restore everything.
In essence, the greatest enemy we will ever face
is self. (Edgar
"Babylon" is symbolic of our selfish desires
that cause us to war against ourselves and others.
This war between our Higher and lower self will
eventually led to the victory of our Higher
Self. The "Devil" (self-will) is then cast into
the abyss (self-will being suppressed by the divine
will). The result is heaven on Earth (the rule of
the Holy Spirit). This war between the Higher and
lower self works on an individual and a collective
human level. For this reason, the Biblical story
from Genesis to Revelation is actually the story
of the fall and rise of humanity. It is the victory
of our divine nature over our human nature. It is
paradise lost and paradise found. (Edgar
The only universal common aspect among all
categories in my own NDE research is that no one
(0%) reported seeing a "Devil." I believe this statistic
suggests the concept of the Devil to merely be a
myth. If a Devil really did exist, it would be logical
that NDErs would report see the Devil in the hell
realms. But, no NDEr in my research have reported
seeing a Devil. Some Christians claim the "Being
of Light" to be the Devil. However, because the
"Being of Light" exudes overwhelming love, light
and concern, it is very unlikely that a Devil could
do this. (Kevin
agree with the teachings of Jesus that God is unconditional
divine love. This love is merciful, non-judgmental, compassionate,
and unlimited in forgiveness. As for Eby's references to
Satan - like all other NDEs - he doesn't actually see such
a being. All of Eby's references to "Satan" can be interpreted
as being this lower nature which all human beings possess.
Eby draws heavily from his own religious bias and background
to describe his NDE almost to the point of embellishment.
I would not be surprised if much of his NDE is an embellishment.
One particular Christian NDE researcher, Dr. Maurice Rawlings,
embellished his research to favor traditional Christian
teachings. His explanation for this was essentially that
in order to win souls, the ends justify the means. So, in
my opinion, NDE testimony which uses strong Christian literalism
are from one degree or another a possible embellishment.
QUESTION: Regarding the notion of
"hell" the following assumption was made:
"Hell is not literal
flames. Hell is a temporary spiritual condition of
total separation from love, joy, God, light, peace,
sanity, etc. People put themselves in this
state until they no longer refuse to love others
and themselves." (Kevin
the spirit guides of
"Again that is a partially
true statement. A person's thought process,
his ability to open his heart to love, self-love,
self-forgiveness, and then to the love of others
unconditionally, is what helps an individual accept
that life after life on Earth does not have to be
a hell or a continuation of all the challenges they
are experiencing on Earth. But again it has to do
with the conscious or unconscious visualization
the individual has about life after being human.
And generally that comes from how they experienced
life on Earth."
KEVIN'S ANSWER: Yes, that is what
I mean. I agree. Self-love and self-forgiveness are divine
traits along with self-sacrifice and self-denial. Hell is
a product of self-centeredness, self-interest, self-gratification,
self-righteousness, self-consciousness, self-glorification,
self-condemnation, self-will, and self in general.
QUESTION: Furthermore, the following
assumption regarding damnation to "hell" was made:
"God does not condemn
anyone to hell. People create their own hell
by their own physical desires." (Kevin
the spirit guides of
"The truth of that statement
is not by their own physical desires and experiences
but by their own consciousness level of their grievous
acts against others and themselves which is what
they will take into life after Earth with them.
What you take to heaven are your thoughts and feelings
of your life experiences."
KEVIN'S ANSWER: My quote about hell
could have been more precise. What I mean is that people
create their own hell by their own physical desires when
such desires go beyond the physical level and into the spiritual
level - such as an addiction or thought pattern. Such addictions
can be carried over into spirit if not conquered in the
Dr. George Ritchie's NDE for more information.
QUESTION: Yet, you yourself state
in your "A Biblical defense of the NDE" section where you
respond to the following argument from a
well-known Christian seminary professor:
"The Being of Light identified
as Jesus in NDEs teach that all people are welcome
to heaven, regardless of whether or not they are
a Christian." (Seminary
To which you said:
"This is not true. Many
NDEs describe people having hellish experiences.
Although it is God's will for everyone to go to
Timothy 2:3-4 and
2 Peter 3:9) many people do not have the will.
NDEs in general show faith in Christ alone
does not guarantee anyone a ticket to heaven."
KEVIN'S ANSWER: My rebuttal against
the professor is accurate. After death, not everyone goes
immediately to heaven or realizes their heavenly nature.
Some people go to hell (which is actually a realization
of their hellish nature within) immediately after death.
However, hell is revealed in near-death accounts as a temporary
state of purification and instruction, not a place of eternal
damnation. NDEs confirm the reality of universal salvation,
the idea that everyone will eventually get to heaven. However,
some souls must be purified from their hellish nature they
acquired on Earth. This is a temporary process. Some will
have to continue to reincarnate until they have attained
"at-one-ment" with their higher (divine) nature as Jesus
QUESTION: So, now you're are saying
there is a "hell" and some of us will be condemned
to it. Yet, the whole philosophy from what I picked up from
reading the material at these two websites is that the whole
idea is to love ourselves unconditionally and become spiritually
attuned to God and to show unconditional love and forgiveness
to all others the way Jesus tried to teach us and we will
be permitted into heaven. No one goes to hell. Not even
I have never denied the existence of hell. I do deny the
Christian concept of hell. What I am saying is that there
exists a hell, but no one is eternally condemned there.
After death, some people will find themselves having to
undergo a "purification process" much like the Catholic
concept of purgatory.
Such is probably the case with Hitler.
However, no one remains in this condition forever. It is
God's desire to purge the darkness in everyone's soul because
God desires and wills that everyone is saved from their
lower natures. God's love is inescapable. For this reason,
everyone will eventually attain heaven, including Hitler.
However, because of his actions, Hitler may have set himself
back many lifetimes. Nevertheless, God loves Hitler unconditionally
and no one can escape from God's love.
QUESTION: You state that if we failed
in one lifetime to achieve this Jesus-like spiritual
perfection we spend time in a spirit world until the
time comes to time comes again to be reincarnated back into
physical form to try to do better in the next life. This
goes on indefinitely until we finally become like Jesus.
Furthermore, you don't even have to accept Jesus as your
Lord and Savior to achieve this.
KEVIN'S ANSWER: Well, that is not
exactly how I would put it. Here is how I would describe
Earth is only a temporary
place for our schooling and our true permanent
home is heaven. Life on Earth is a cycle of improvements
(reincarnations) where we must overcome
certain weaknesses which are incompatible with our
spirit (divine nature). Any habit-forming
pleasure that is contrary to our spirit (and there
are many) traps us into the cycle of rebirth over
and over until our desire for them are finally put
aside. Between Earth lives, some souls must undergo
a temporary "purification" process (a kind of heavenly
"time out") before they are allowed to reincarnate.
This process is what religious people refer to as
hell. Most souls, however, dwell in higher realms
where there is rest, homecomings, learning, etc..
to prepare them for their next Earth life. We
progress at our own rate to become permanent citizens
of the highest heaven (where we as souls originated.).
Soul growth occurs much faster here on Earth than
in the spirit world because of the challenges and
lessons learned which an Earth life offers. Earth
is God's "School of Hard Knocks." If we act in ways
which take us away from the light of God, then we
are perpetuating our time here. Everyone who
comes to Earth must overcome it and learn the
lessons it offers. Here our free will is called
into play in a way that is different from higher realms.
Life on Earth involves making mistakes (what
some refer to as "sin") which we are allowed
to make in order to learn the hard way. Everything
in life is a learning process. Our goal is
to attain "at-one-ment" with God (as Jesus and Buddha
did for example) so that we are free to experience
higher realms of the spiritual universe. By coming
to Earth, many souls are also trying to bring heaven
to Earth while other souls incarnate from lower
afterlife realms for instruction.
As for Jesus' role,
Jesus was a soul who experienced the full cycle
of the Earth experience and attained at-one-ment
with God. He decided to come to Earth to give
humanity a pattern, an example, a "way" for which
people can attain the same level of soul growth
to free them from the Earth cycle in order to move
on to higher realms. Jesus taught and demonstrated
how the way to heaven is by living a life of unconditional
love for everyone and God. Jesus is a "master" or
advanced soul who has devoted himself to the soul
progression of human beings on Earth. He is not
the only one either. Also, according to my research,
some near-death accounts state that Jesus will reincarnate
again to usher in heaven on Earth. I believe Jesus
has already been born again into this world and
is living here today.
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Caught up Into Paradise
by Dr. Richard Eby
In this book Dr. Eby reveals the
tender care of God's protective
love in three generations of his
family through miracle after miracle
including his near-death experience.
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by Dr. Richard Eby
This book is a provocative look
at the truths to be found in the
Bible, written by one who was in
the presence of Jesus.
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by Dr. Richard Eby
book contains Rev. Eby's account
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took place when Christ's message
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